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Stupid waiting period to buy a gun >:(
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2012-12-03 01:26:33 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
You can buy SAIGAs in the UK. My favorite forum has quite a few British AK/saiga owners..

I own a fully converted x39 personally. Works great at hog hunting but sometimes I wish I had a 308 model or a vepr x51 for those shots past 150 yards.


That is quite surprising given our pretty draconian gun legislation, looks like at least the Saiga-12 is available here, at what looks to be a seriously inflated price though, definitely something I'll look into if I ever decide to take up shooting again. Still I did <3 my Enfield, that was a serious bit of kit when you consider that it was designed in 1895. I've just done a little poking around on the net and it looks like only the so called "S" models with the factory mods were reclassified and since declassified after the massive gun kneejerk panic of the late 90's, people are still using both the standard and modded rifles for shooting competitions, no way of reactivating mine though, barrel was welded shut at the bolt and will have lost it's strength due to the heat involved Cry. On an interesting note, I once shared a house with the daughter of the guy who designed the De Lisle Carbine, it used the .45 ACP and was so silent you could only hear the action when it was fired.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-12-03 01:30:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
You can buy SAIGAs in the UK. My favorite forum has quite a few British AK/saiga owners..

I own a fully converted x39 personally. Works great at hog hunting but sometimes I wish I had a 308 model or a vepr x51 for those shots past 150 yards.


That is quite surprising given our pretty draconian gun legislation, looks like at least the Saiga-12 is available here, at what looks to be a seriously inflated price though, definitely something I'll look into if I ever decide to take up shooting again. Still I did <3 my Enfield, that was a serious bit of kit when you consider that it was designed in 1895. I've just done a little poking around on the net and it looks like only the so called "S" models with the factory mods were reclassified and since declassified after the massive gun kneejerk panic of the late 90's, people are still using both the standard and modded rifles for shooting competitions, no way of reactivating mine though, barrel was welded shut at the bolt and will have lost it's strength due to the heat involved Cry. On an interesting note, I once shared a house with the daughter of the guy who designed the De Lisle Carbine, it used the .45 ACP and was so silent you could only hear the action when it was fired.


After spending 1 day at the range I stand by my Saiga, in true AK fashion when it was clean it failed to chamber about half the rounds and misfired on about half the rounds it chambered but after getting nice and dirty it fired 100% of the time Big smile

Also you should leave the UK and become a US citizen... 5 minute waiting period here in Bama and also they rent full auto weapons at the range I go to (I saw a Steyr AUG, P90, and a Galil)

*Edit: Also saw a Shrike but that's about $1000/minute of shooting in ammo costs :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_nryuspdlA

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#23 - 2012-12-03 03:05:51 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


After spending 1 day at the range I stand by my Saiga, in true AK fashion when it was clean it failed to chamber about half the rounds and misfired on about half the rounds it chambered but after getting nice and dirty it fired 100% of the time Big smile

Also you should leave the UK and become a US citizen... 5 minute waiting period here in Bama and also they rent full auto weapons at the range I go to (I saw a Steyr AUG, P90, and a Galil)

*Edit: Also saw a Shrike but that's about $1000/minute of shooting in ammo costs :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_nryuspdlA


lol not much chance of me becoming a US citizen, I had a criminal record from some drunken antics in my long gone youth, here it's classed as a spent conviction under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act of 1974 because it was 20 odd years ago and wasn't particularly serious as crimes go, so it's not counted against me for any reason, unfortunately the US gov't don't recognise that particular piece of legislation and I'm in the minority of UK passport holders that must apply for a visa to even visit the US for a holiday because I'm ineligible for the Visa Waiver Program.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-12-03 03:09:43 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:


After spending 1 day at the range I stand by my Saiga, in true AK fashion when it was clean it failed to chamber about half the rounds and misfired on about half the rounds it chambered but after getting nice and dirty it fired 100% of the time Big smile

Also you should leave the UK and become a US citizen... 5 minute waiting period here in Bama and also they rent full auto weapons at the range I go to (I saw a Steyr AUG, P90, and a Galil)

*Edit: Also saw a Shrike but that's about $1000/minute of shooting in ammo costs :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_nryuspdlA


lol not much chance of me becoming a US citizen, I had a criminal record from some drunken antics in my long gone youth, here it's classed as a spent conviction under the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act of 1974 because it was 20 odd years ago and wasn't particularly serious as crimes go, so it's not counted against me for any reason, unfortunately the US gov't don't recognise that particular piece of legislation and I'm in the minority of UK passport holders that must apply for a visa to even visit the US for a holiday because I'm ineligible for the Visa Waiver Program.


Sad

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-12-03 03:44:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugia3
So... you're complaining about having to wait in line for only 5 minutes to get a gun? Roll

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-12-03 03:50:36 UTC
Fist off it's you're and yes, I paid for the stupid thing I should get it then with no delay! I already own 2 handguns and a rifle if I wanted to shoot someone I'd do it with one of my firearms that I'm familiar with! Evil

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ashley Eoner
#27 - 2012-12-03 05:19:24 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
You can buy SAIGAs in the UK. My favorite forum has quite a few British AK/saiga owners..

I own a fully converted x39 personally. Works great at hog hunting but sometimes I wish I had a 308 model or a vepr x51 for those shots past 150 yards.


That is quite surprising given our pretty draconian gun legislation, looks like at least the Saiga-12 is available here, at what looks to be a seriously inflated price though, definitely something I'll look into if I ever decide to take up shooting again. Still I did <3 my Enfield, that was a serious bit of kit when you consider that it was designed in 1895. I've just done a little poking around on the net and it looks like only the so called "S" models with the factory mods were reclassified and since declassified after the massive gun kneejerk panic of the late 90's, people are still using both the standard and modded rifles for shooting competitions, no way of reactivating mine though, barrel was welded shut at the bolt and will have lost it's strength due to the heat involved Cry. On an interesting note, I once shared a house with the daughter of the guy who designed the De Lisle Carbine, it used the .45 ACP and was so silent you could only hear the action when it was fired.


After spending 1 day at the range I stand by my Saiga, in true AK fashion when it was clean it failed to chamber about half the rounds and misfired on about half the rounds it chambered but after getting nice and dirty it fired 100% of the time Big smile

Also you should leave the UK and become a US citizen... 5 minute waiting period here in Bama and also they rent full auto weapons at the range I go to (I saw a Steyr AUG, P90, and a Galil)

*Edit: Also saw a Shrike but that's about $1000/minute of shooting in ammo costs :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_nryuspdlA
I've never seen the s12 have issues with feeding and my x39 has fired about thousand or so rounds flawlessly. Even brand new it was chucking stuff without issue.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ii93qs.jpg
Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#28 - 2012-12-03 07:12:46 UTC
Miss Piggy wrote:
Zack Korth wrote:
I like knives, I don't know this for sure, but it always seemed to me that a blade cutting through your flesh would cause more psychological duress than a bullet hitting you, of course i might feel differently with a gun in my face, but at that point, i'd probably just try to bite off a nose or part of their lip. Fighting is mental, destroy the mind and the body can't fight back. I don't like guns, people already have too many of their own ideas embedded subconsciously in relation to guns, but show me a mind thats prepared to process and quickly handle their nose getting bit off, and i'll show you a man with no need for a gun.



Aaah you are the connoisseur


love that guy, great movie.
ashley Eoner
#29 - 2012-12-03 07:15:47 UTC
Zack Korth wrote:
Miss Piggy wrote:
Zack Korth wrote:
I like knives, I don't know this for sure, but it always seemed to me that a blade cutting through your flesh would cause more psychological duress than a bullet hitting you, of course i might feel differently with a gun in my face, but at that point, i'd probably just try to bite off a nose or part of their lip. Fighting is mental, destroy the mind and the body can't fight back. I don't like guns, people already have too many of their own ideas embedded subconsciously in relation to guns, but show me a mind thats prepared to process and quickly handle their nose getting bit off, and i'll show you a man with no need for a gun.



Aaah you are the connoisseur


love that guy, great movie.
Much truth in that little clip though. To expand you can't ballistics match a knife to a wound like you can a bullet back to a gun. Those reasons and more are why far more people are killed with knives where I live then guns.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-12-03 07:19:02 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Fist off it's you're and yes, I paid for the stupid thing I should get it then with no delay! I already own 2 handguns and a rifle if I wanted to shoot someone I'd do it with one of my firearms that I'm familiar with! Evil


It usually takes longer to wait in line to buy groceries than that. I agree with your second point about already having guns, but it's a little ridiculous that your upset over having to wait in line for such a short time.

In the US it usually takes days or weeks to purchase a firearm.

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Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#31 - 2012-12-03 07:34:58 UTC
This may be really un-informed and wrong.....

But every time i think of America and their laws on guns, i think of this
Graygor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-12-03 07:37:33 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

That is quite surprising given our pretty draconian gun legislation, looks like at least the Saiga-12 is available here, at what looks to be a seriously inflated price though, definitely something I'll look into if I ever decide to take up shooting again. Still I did <3 my Enfield, that was a serious bit of kit when you consider that it was designed in 1895. I've just done a little poking around on the net and it looks like only the so called "S" models with the factory mods were reclassified and since declassified after the massive gun kneejerk panic of the late 90's, people are still using both the standard and modded rifles for shooting competitions, no way of reactivating mine though, barrel was welded shut at the bolt and will have lost it's strength due to the heat involved Cry.


The Enfield is a hell of a rifle. My grandfather had several on his farm that were "momentos" and he somehow managed to justify them as farm tools for hunting and pest control after the war.

When you think about how back in 1895 the rate of fire a well drilled rifle company could put out with these things it is truly amazing. I remember reading about accounts by German POWs in WW1 who thought they had come under machinegun fire from Royal Marines armed with Enfield rifles due to the rate of fire they were able to put out of them.

And the UKs gun laws are frankly pants. If I ever stike it rich and decide to go back I'm going to move to the Isle Of Mann so I can fulfil my passion of motorbikes, sport shooting and annoying the living hell out of Jeremy Clarkson. (Who is awesome, I just used to love annoying him when I was a student as I lived very close to Chipping Norton).

And Surfin` the Galil is a very solid rifle. I recommend you have a whirl with it if you're able. That or if you every get the opportunity the RK95.

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Zack Korth
Livid CO.
#33 - 2012-12-03 14:47:15 UTC
Samoth Egnoled wrote:
This may be really un-informed and wrong.....

But every time i think of America and their laws on guns, i think of this


pretty accurate
Miss Piggy
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-12-03 14:57:44 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Fist off it's you're and yes, I paid for the stupid thing I should get it then with no delay! I already own 2 handguns and a rifle if I wanted to shoot someone I'd do it with one of my firearms that I'm familiar with! Evil


It usually takes longer to wait in line to buy groceries than that. I agree with your second point about already having guns, but it's a little ridiculous that your upset over having to wait in line for such a short time.

In the US it usually takes days or weeks to purchase a firearm.


None u.s clittyizen here and never bought a gun previously. Took approx 2hr to legally purchase my shiny ruger sr9 and
coincidently never needed to use in self defence in the number of years i have been here.

General concern was shown by the gun shoppe owner at my inability to know which end was the hurty end but with
some coaching and practice at the local sports park i am proficient enough not to shoot myself in my girl nads.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2012-12-03 19:45:38 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
So today I bought a new Saiga (the .410 as I love shooting and it's cheaper than shooting those damn 12 gauge shotguns) and I had to stand around waiting for like 5 minutes till I could take it. Damn hippies and their stupid influence Evil



lol

Haven't purchased a gun with paperwork for years. Somebody is always needing to make rent or get their car fixed.


Yeah, that's right, in America, in all but the most communistic states (the ones that just happen to have the most crime too) you can buy a gun from a neighbor without having a paper trail.



Semi-auto shotguns are being targeted by the ATF as "assault shotguns" and they are trying to reinterpret the rules in such manner that they would be banned - no laws from congress, no amendment, nothing. It's not another Obama usurpation either: it's been going on and they've been trying to do it since the Bush years.

They'll go onto all semi-autos too, but we're ready for that civil war.

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Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-12-03 19:58:57 UTC
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-12-03 20:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ahh guns, not available to the general population in the UK, well not without jumping through blazing hoops of fire, having fisticuffs with bureaucracy and even then you're restricted to pretty much peashooters.

I grew up on military bases, was using the range as a child with a .22, progressed onto the military stuff like the Bren and the L1A1 as a teenager in the cadets. I used to shoot competitively with a .303 Lee Enfield SMLE and had a firearms licence up until some muppet decided he was going to wipe out a load of school kids in Scotland. After that it became nigh on impossible to renew a firearms licence without showing good cause, all handguns became illegal and a rifle that was factory modified with a cheek rest and a 3.5x telescopic sight was most definitley a big nono, I still have the rifle, it had to be deactivated (sacrilege for a rare gun), because it became classified as a military specification firearm, even though the last time the .303 with that spec was used in warfare was probably the Korean War. Sad

What do they do to 'deactivate' a firearm? .303 Lee Enfield, I'd love to have one of those. My friend had one and he really praised it for its accuracy. He attributed the accuracy to the bolt action, which makes something like a solid block behind the cartridge. No springiness in the action, like a semi-auto would have.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#38 - 2012-12-03 20:31:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Telegram Sam wrote:

What do they do to 'deactivate' a firearm? .303 Lee Enfield, I'd love to have one of those. My friend had one and he really praised it for its accuracy. He attributed the accuracy to the bolt action, which makes something like a solid block behind the cartridge. No springiness in the action, like a semi-auto would have.


Here it consists of removing the firing pin, beating a metal plug into the barrel and then welding it shut, occasionally they'll also make modifications with a grinder to parts of the receiver and remove some rifling from the barrel so that it's beyond repair.

I can purchase replacement parts such as a barrel, bolt, firing pin etc, but the legal ramifications & cost of doing so to reactivate a previously deactivated weapon makes it not worth my while. After all that, I'd still have to apply for a new firearms licence, invest in a gun safe, etc.

Seeing as Imgur is throwing a wobbly, hotlinking is a go

This is basically what mine looks like, mine has the cheek rest and scope pictured, they were only added to the most accurate weapons at the factory & issued for sniper duty, they are as the saying goes "rare as rocking horse poo".

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#39 - 2012-12-03 20:34:57 UTC
By the way, while I am not such for "I want that" reactions when looking at guns and women (because both are expensive and dangerous Lol ) Here is something that I actually considered pawning off some old heat to make room for.


I ALMOST CREAMED MY SHORTS!!!!!!!!

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#40 - 2012-12-03 20:52:56 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
By the way, while I am not such for "I want that" reactions when looking at guns and women (because both are expensive and dangerous Lol ) Here is something that I actually considered pawning off some old heat to make room for.


I ALMOST CREAMED MY SHORTS!!!!!!!!


No almost about it, damn that looks sweet, not to mention that it wouldn't be out of place in a scifi FPS

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