Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I dont want to get too far off topic, JFs is another thread (anyone post about that yet? That would be a good discussion)

But, without JFs 0.0 would be strangled because (titan bridge connection here) fleets escorting the freighters through 0.0 would be hotdropped, and logistics would get even tougher.
0.0 Industry needs to be made not only possible, but PRACTICAL before CCP can nerf the JF.
Its just not possible with the way 0.0 is now (theres some good articles about fixing 0.0 industry, pretty sure they have been posted on the forums somewhere)

I approve of the plans of adding mass and capacitor limits to jump bridging along with requiring a gimping module.
What would happen if the mod was removed and you had to use the pos variant?

Then the nullbears need not worry about being hotdropped by a blob, as jump bridges need sov 3, if I remember.

Titans are not just piled up into one system and stored there. They are spread out to key systems and mostly just left there. There is actually a lot that the only purpose they fulfill is to bridge. Also I can't help but laugh a bit if you think that they somehow travel with the fleet constantly to the battle. Most of the time it is simply someone logging in their titan alt at a safe spot and warping to the safety of a POS shield and they wait there till everyone is in range and they bridge them. Job done they then warp off to a safe spot and log. Done. Also you have got to be joking about having to fuel up after the bridge part. One of the things pointed out is that titan bridges are by far the most fuel efficient. By an extreme amount efficient. As far as disrupting them at several points while they are used; only on the ultra rare occasion where a titan pilot does not notice scan probes looking for him from a hostile in local does one get burned. Or just as rare; accidentally jumping instead of bridging. While it is funny when those things happen, bridging titans should have more risk involved than a 'miss click'.



Just because a ship is expensive and or requires a ton of skill points to fly; is no excuse to make it unbalanced and over powered. Another thing to keep in mind is something can be balanced for the time it was introduced into the game and as the game evolves, become unbalanced. Long ago a personal repair module was fine for fights you would encounter would be a couple dozen ships. Now fights are hundreds and sometimes, thousands of players at a time. Which is why buffer tank with logistics is the better choice.



Fueling a titan is trivial when you take into consideration jump bridges and the fact titans just sip the fuel compared to other means of bridging. Cynos/scouts are no big deal either. They are sprinkled across the appropriate routes logged off and ready to go. And if they die while the titan is bridging, most likely a couple of the ships that were bridged in have a backup cyno fit.

You are trying to make the process of bridging seem like major work and tons of effort involved, but you are highly exaggerating.

There have been suggestions like, increase fuel consumption, force jump after bridging and even not allowing titans to bridge while in a POS shield. All with the intent to add some risk to titan bridging. The big question is how do we add risk to a process that enables force projection without turning titans into a POS ornament? Titans do have other qualities like bonuses, powerful guns/launchers and doomsdays against other capital ships. Should the ability to bridge just be removed from it? Will the titan still feel like it is a complete ship and has a purpose? I do realize there is a lot of players out there whole solely trained for and acquired a titan for only bridging. So I can understand how they must feel if we are talking about nerfing/removing it.

I just want what is best for the game and overall player experience. In the end I put sole blame on super capitals requiring a sole player to use it instead of it being more like an alliance asset that no sole player has to fly per say. I also strongly think they would be risked a lot more if all the risk was not all on the one pilot who has it. Can something like that be changed without regulating super capitals to be only seen dry humping a POS tower? I think so.

Hot dropping is another completely UNFUN (for most) mechanic that imo should go.
It's actually the most evident power projection device.
Of course it requires planning and ability to execute, but like titan bridge, it requires less resources and drawbacks than doing it the "straight old way" and thus it gives a potent lever that trivializes encounters and the very reason to have a large universe.





This is also known as "power creep" and is an evil affecting mature MMOs. Guess what's the cure to that?

They have a role now. This discussion is attempting to take away the only role they have left.

@Misha: No, the rules of quoting are quite clear and explained to everyone in high schools around the world. I did not change the meaning of what you said, and thus I am free to cut the quote wherever I want.

I really feel sorry for this ship class.

So make it even easier for people to run away? Titan bridging is the only way to avoid the easymode intel tool of local. Nerfing bridges while leaving local as it is just makes it easier to avoid fights.

ooh what if titans always existed?
that even logged off they were still there, but you couldnt board them or anything. (optionally a titan has a password given to it by the first boarder and can be changed by the pilot while boarded)
thus you would be able to actually kill one.
To compensate the dd is reduced to 10 minute interval and has target restrictions removed.
Now it can stay in a pos feild but has to leave it to jump (if this is the case already then good) (also this behavior, persistence passwording should be applied to all capitals. Use a cap sma if you are worried of being killed)
JBing is still allowed as now, but is basically a wh and thus you can jump to the titan. (if it is in a POS you get ejected for not knowing the pw, if you do know it though )
So that the fights are now possible both ways, the titan is in danger but can still be protected, and both sides are penalized by the lack of local knowledge.