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Caldari! To arms!

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-12-02 12:08:39 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
I swore an oath to defend this State against all enemies - both foreign and domestic. Ishukone is part of that State, it is part of our family. I firmly beleive that their work to fight for an honourable peace between the State and the Federation is a valuable service to all of us and should be honoured as such. I cannot believe that they would EVER lose sight of that family connection enough to strike at the Executor in this sort of way.

The investigation is under way. I do not join the calls for them to make their progress public, I'd far rather that they have the time and the space to carry out the best, most accurate and most complete investigation possible. Only when their conclusions go public and I've recieved proper orders through the correct channels will I comment on what should be done.

I don't think this peace is possible, both honorable and unhonorable. Under current situation peace is a dream, an utopia. And in real life, only those who die will achieve it.

Gallenteans use diplomacy just to hide the problem, to cover rotten mound of maggots with silk embroidered sheet. It is simply impossible to talk to them to get a solution. Just remember, we tried to negotiate with these gluttons for like a hundred of years to return our home planet! HUNDRED of years, for the planet that is OURS... But all these years weren't wasted: while our diplomats were hitting their heads to wall of misunderstanding, built by greedy egoistic gallenteans, we have built our strength, we have built our army. And we struck them. And returned what is rightfully ours by the way that always works. We just came and took it. And no negotiations.

Am I not convincing? Ok, then go ahead and give me a couple of gallenteans with whom I can discuss a problem without bias, for example, mmm, let it be... a slavery maybe? Ok, maybe it is a hidden trigger, that activates a gallentean citizen into a mumbling foam-spitting possessed. Lets try something easier: for example, our corporate structure. Could you find a couple of gallenteans who would like to listen about it and discuss without yelling about freedom, rights, oppression and other gallentean nonsense? Ok, ok, maybe it is a bit hard too, considering current political situation (the war and blablabla), ok, give me at least a couple of gallenteans...
with whom I can reason using just a logic, on a random subject, without them getting into insults, personal attacks or usual stuff they do?

This, I believe, you would be able to achieve. However, this is not the end. Consider a number of peoples you will find with huge grey mass of so loved gallentean "electorate". Unfortunately, they are ruled not by wise peoples, not by merited ones, but by this greedy uneducated hedonistic grey mob. And all reasoning with them is simply pointless.

You know, frankly, when a gallentean starts to say something about oppresion in the State, liberation of Caldari, slavery, and stuff like that, I want to simply put a shotgun into his mouth as far as it can fit and pull the trigger. To show him what does real oppression mean.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#22 - 2012-12-02 12:24:18 UTC
You two are so cute. But i never thought i'd see Andrues as a cradlerobber. P

Ms Kim. I love the new look. Makes you seem mysterious and a bit dark. To go along with your lunacy about the Gallente.
Seriously, If it turns out Heth was shot by a caldarian or a Minitar or Hopefully a amarrian. Are you still going to Blame the Gallante's?

Not as innocent as she appears.™  

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-12-02 12:34:51 UTC
Misha M'Liena wrote:
To go along with your lunacy about the Gallente.
Seriously, If it turns out Heth was shot by a caldarian or a Minitar or Hopefully a amarrian. Are you still going to Blame the Gallante's?

According to gallentean lunacy, gallenteans are to blame regardless, who made the shot. Because, eventually, it was their master plan to collide us with Amarrs, between our corporations, or to use minmatar slaves as their weapon.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-12-02 12:41:18 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
According to gallentean lunacy, gallenteans are to blame regardless, who made the shot. Because, eventually, it was their master plan to collide us with Amarrs, between our corporations, or to use minmatar slaves as their weapon.


Ladies and gentlemen, a round of applause for Diana Kim. She's admitted she's a lunatic, and the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Now, Ms. Kim, I can only speak for the mental health infrastructure for the Gallente Federation, but I have a large number of friends in the State who will know who can get you the help you need - you have gravely insulted the vast majority of them in the past, but I'm sure if you explain your situation to them thoroughly, they'll be happy to assist.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-12-02 12:48:03 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You're younger than me.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, a round of applause for Diana Kim. She's admitted she's a lunatic, and the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. Now, Ms. Kim, I can only speak for the mental health infrastructure for the Gallente Federation, but I have a large number of friends in the State who will know who can get you the help you need - you have gravely insulted the vast majority of them in the past, but I'm sure if you explain your situation to them thoroughly, they'll be happy to assist.

Building your value.
Suggesting role games about doctors and patients.
Nice move, but try better.
Still NO.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-12-02 12:56:30 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Building your value.
Suggesting role games about doctors and patients.
Nice move, but try better.
Still NO.

These tragic and self-aggrandising delusions are illustrative of how detached from reality you are. Newsflash, Kim - you are utterly insane. Sansha Kuvakei quakes in envy of how far into your own little dreamworld you've managed to retreat. Get help.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-12-02 13:07:56 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
These tragic and self-aggrandising delusions are illustrative of how detached from reality you are. Newsflash, Kim - you are utterly insane. Sansha Kuvakei quakes in envy of how far into your own little dreamworld you've managed to retreat. Get help.

You don't know where to stop, do you? Go play with your 'doctor-friends' without me, especially if they are your 'preferred gender', not me. And you can grab your Kuvakei with you.
NO.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-12-02 13:27:01 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
You don't know where to stop, do you? Go play with your 'doctor-friends' without me, especially if they are your 'preferred gender', not me. And you can grab your Kuvakei with you.
NO.

See, the funny thing is, you simultaneously accuse me of being homosexual and of being attracted to you - do you not see the obvious logical contradiction?

This must be why you're so bad at ship-to-ship combat without a fleet backing you up. I imagine the minutae of fitting and properly deploying a ship are beyond you.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2012-12-02 14:06:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I don't think this peace is possible, both honorable and unhonorable. Under current situation peace is a dream, an utopia. And in real life, only those who die will achieve it.


You might be right Kim-haani. I hope not, but one thing I know for sure is that the State is stronger for a diversity of corporate interests all working in different ways towards a common end. That belief is why I wholeheartedly support our form of government - one that doesn't seek to boil all the different opinions of our citizens down into a homogenous grey mush, but instead allows us all a vibrant political platform within which to seek our destinies.

Why, for the price of a single voting share, anyone in the State can affect policy! Our system means that all that a citizen needs to acquire that voting share is ability and work ethic and a little time sunk into putting their money where their mouths are. Meritocracy, eh?

I respect your opinion on the Federation simply because it remains as a warning of the past, but I personally believe that the eventual future of the State lies in a separate but equal relation to the Gallente, who have much to offer us as trading and cultural partners.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-12-02 14:43:00 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:

See, the funny thing is, you simultaneously accuse me of being homosexual and of being attracted to you - do you not see the obvious logical contradiction?

This must be why you're so bad at ship-to-ship combat without a fleet backing you up. I imagine the minutae of fitting and properly deploying a ship are beyond you.

Look, gallente-boy, I have no intention of accusing you in anything, neither desire to be in your company, nor to listen your 'supervaluable' ideas about piloting spaceships. Play your damn games in doctors and flying instructors with your friends. I am NOT interested.
All I want to say you is: GET LOST.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-12-02 14:45:23 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
but I personally believe that the eventual future of the State lies in a separate but equal relation to the Gallente

Well, ok then. How do you see a solution of the problem in Luminaire?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2012-12-02 14:56:23 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
but I personally believe that the eventual future of the State lies in a separate but equal relation to the Gallente

Well, ok then. How do you see a solution of the problem in Luminaire?


Once relations normalise ALL Caldari will have free access to the Homeworld for the price of an Interbus ticket. Obviously the Caldari need to have a voice in the administration of the Homeworld, although the Gallente will probably require some sort of referendum for this.

For now, the Leviathan is an reminder that we WILL return.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-12-02 15:12:13 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Look, gallente-boy, I have no intention of accusing you in anything, neither desire to be in your company, nor to listen your 'supervaluable' ideas about piloting spaceships.

Then don't post in the IGS, you moron. Can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen.

Diana Kim wrote:
Play your damn games in doctors and flying instructors with your friends. I am NOT interested.
All I want to say you is: GET LOST.

I don't usually stoop to such low-brow discourse, but put simply - make me.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Vikarion
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-12-02 15:13:41 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
but I personally believe that the eventual future of the State lies in a separate but equal relation to the Gallente

Well, ok then. How do you see a solution of the problem in Luminaire?


Once relations normalise ALL Caldari will have free access to the Homeworld for the price of an Interbus ticket. Obviously the Caldari need to have a voice in the administration of the Homeworld, although the Gallente will probably require some sort of referendum for this.

For now, the Leviathan is an reminder that we WILL return.


Last I checked, we HAD returned, we can access the homeworld as we like, and the Gallente can go take a flying leap onto spiked tritanium if they don't like it. The fewer Gallente on Caldari Prime the better, anyway - we ought to have a standing offer to buy them out and arrange new lives for them elsewhere in the Fed.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-12-02 15:14:55 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
but I personally believe that the eventual future of the State lies in a separate but equal relation to the Gallente

Well, ok then. How do you see a solution of the problem in Luminaire?


Once relations normalise ALL Caldari will have free access to the Homeworld for the price of an Interbus ticket. Obviously the Caldari need to have a voice in the administration of the Homeworld, although the Gallente will probably require some sort of referendum for this.

For now, the Leviathan is an reminder that we WILL return.

This is actually not a solution. This proposition implies that the ownership of the Caldari Prime will belong to Gallente. This is like, you know, a thief stole your ship, and tells you, that he will transport you on your former ship free of charge. The planet was our property, and it is our property, it was just occupied by gallentean forces. To allow them have it means to let the thief to away, to lose honor and face, and to betray our ancestors, who lived on this planet, and to betray heroes of the war.

The second problem is comes with administration. If the Caldari will have a 'voice', this will mean that we adopt highly inefficient gallentean management system, where solutions to crucial problems lay not on shoulders of professionals, but rather on common workers' and maids' desires.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2012-12-02 15:23:58 UTC
*holds his hands up* Whoa, I'm not a diplomat! I'm simply accepting that there are likely to be issues getting the Gallente to completely sign off on handing back Caldari Prime when it lies in their home system. I'd prefer a complete hand-off to a conglomerate of Corporations too, but I'd be willing to accept Corporate control of Caldari enclaves on the planet and joint administration of Orbital space as a good starting point.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-12-02 15:30:02 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Look, gallente-boy, I have no intention of accusing you in anything, neither desire to be in your company, nor to listen your 'supervaluable' ideas about piloting spaceships.

Then don't post in the IGS, you moron. Can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen.

Diana Kim wrote:
Play your damn games in doctors and flying instructors with your friends. I am NOT interested.
All I want to say you is: GET LOST.

I don't usually stoop to such low-brow discourse, but put simply - make me.

Ah, so it burns. Can't take rejection that easy? Your throat squeezes from anger? Can't breathe? Go ahead, spill your bile for a couple of more posts. I told you everything already, and won't reply anymore. In a couple of posts it will disappear, and, maybe you will return to your, akhem, 'normal' life.
The only thing that bothers me, is that after some time you will against start pestering me with your unhealthy ideas.
I could have put an end to this misery. If you were a bit bolder than a local forum parrot, then I could show you what I do with gallentes, who dares to pester me in person.
But until then I can only tell you NO and GET LOST.
And for now, I will leave you with your anger... alone. Don't break your link, kid!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-12-02 15:34:58 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
*holds his hands up* Whoa, I'm not a diplomat! I'm simply accepting that there are likely to be issues getting the Gallente to completely sign off on handing back Caldari Prime when it lies in their home system. I'd prefer a complete hand-off to a conglomerate of Corporations too, but I'd be willing to accept Corporate control of Caldari enclaves on the planet and joint administration of Orbital space as a good starting point.

I am not a diplomat too.
But I have a neat trick to make diplomats more compliant during negotiations.
You just place a shotgun on a table before you, and they are guaranteed to be listening to you more... attentively Blink

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2012-12-02 15:44:05 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Ah, so it burns. Can't take rejection that easy? Your throat squeezes from anger? Can't breathe? Go ahead, spill your bile for a couple of more posts.

"Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, usually to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others originate those feelings."

Diana Kim wrote:
The only thing that bothers me, is that after some time you will against start pestering me with your unhealthy ideas.

Maybe you shouldn't post on the IGS and get the psychiatric assistance you so desperately need. You'd genuinely be happier.

Diana Kim wrote:
I could have put an end to this misery. If you were a bit bolder than a local forum parrot, then I could show you what I do with gallentes, who dares to pester me in person.

We were in the same system, within shooting distance of each other for at least an hour a couple of days back. Not my fault you didn't have the spine to make good on these threats.

Diana Kim wrote:
But until then I can only tell you NO and GET LOST.
And for now, I will leave you with your anger... alone. Don't break your link, kid!

You do realise that you're not even convincing yourself with any of this, right?

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#40 - 2012-12-02 17:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Like, is the State ever going to show it has the capability of existing without having to endlessly compare itself to the Gallenteans? Before the war, we were too busy watching holoreels, doping ourselves up, engaging in virtual networks, insert popular stereotype here, to really give a **** about you guys.

Even the ones who paid attention to politics were more concerned with the Amarr Empire. Did you know, for the long-term, we actually consider the Amarr Empire, not the Caldari State, as the main rival to our Federation? Not to trivialize the very serious conflict going on right now or anything.

But, damn, we're not that great. I'm sure you can do fine without us.