Ships & Modules

Hi there. New expansion will bring us new salvaging drones. Also, for few years, we already have loot/salvage monster - Noctis.
Probably time has come to rebalance and reveiw the posibilities of marauders? Especially when pirates, and even navy BSs are better ships.
I guess that buff ofentire marauders class is necessary

As is all the marauders are pretty useless for many reasons.

They have a tiny sensor strength, making ECM a pain in missions(When marauders were introduced sensor strength didn't matter to NPC jamming)
They have WAY less damage than the faction and often even t1 versions of the same ships. (Mach does almost 50% more dps than a vargur, domi does some 30% more than a kronos. Nightmare is kind of an exception as it only gets a tracking bonus which can typically be circumvented in missions and even then is just comparable to the web bonus. Golem has no faction counterpart)
Their traditional redeeming factor of looting and salvaging have been repeatedly nerfed(Loot nerf, Noctis, second loot nerf, salvage drones, drone loot nerf, bounty nerf*)

So... until another iteration of marauders is around, I'd suggest pretty much avoiding them as far as pve goes. The SP are much better spent elsewhere.

ROFL


If your fitting skills are as bad as your face looks maybe

Then again must be professional troll

haha that post by Tanith put a smile on my face - I give it 7/10 for making me laugh , as a trolling post it failed though .

2 Rammes lol
It's good question indeed. Probably skills are enough, only armor/shield, capasitor or something like that parameters to change?

I think he's including drone dps in his calculation.

As far as guns go, the Mach does about 10% more paper dps than the Vargur; however, the latter also has a tracking bonus which increases applied dps in many situations.

I don't understand why we can't have T2 resists on our Marauders

I'll give you a hint. Just about everything. If it was a single line or two, several people would be pointing it out. But there is so much wrong in that post that replying to all of the missinformation and missconceptions you have about marauders would recuire me to write a whole friggin book based on it. And it'd be thicker then a friggin Koran!

Not true. It was empirically proven that sensor strength did affect NPC ECM jamming. The 'NPC ECM is chance based' misconception got started with a bad statement by a CCP dev a long time ago.



Vargur has firepower equivalent to the Mach. However, the Mach as speed and agility which means that for every ~11km close the Mach is to target, its effective DPS goes up 10% over the Vargur. MWD Mach for the win. Also, the Mach/Vargur kill things so quickly that drone dps is pretty meaningless.



The drone poo and loot nerfs hurt a bit. Salvage prices dropped. Last I checked, running another mission was more profitable than making a Noctis run.


Well... maybe, maybe not. The Missile and TP changes in Retribution might make the Golem useful again, especially when/if the 'tarcking mods' affect missile explosion radius and/or range feature goes in. (Sometime after Retribution.) Post retribution, a Golem will need 0-1 TPs for battleships and ~2 for elite cruisers (IIRC.) Torpedo range is still the main sticking point.

And then there's the recent comment by a Dev that the Mach's fallout got double buffed when two devs didn't coordinate on the falloff bonus and the TE changes. So the Mach (and Vargur) may get nerfed when battleships undergo tiericide.

I out shoot my mate's Mach in my Vargur. numptycakes says the mach can also use sentries...and is more speedy. So I assume you factor in going back to scoop your sentries in the completion time of missioning with your sentry Mach?

Regarding Marauders themselves, they are mostly obsolete, and while the Vargur is a beast that can snoozebutton most missions with ease (and 90% of people overdo the tank, hence why the Mach looks like it does better) the others suck. They are very handy in 0.0 doing high-end complexes where you do need the crazy tanks - but in most cases there's no point salvaging anyway, because most of the reward is actually in the shinies at the final drop.

Or you just take a Tengu.

For sanctum ratting, you just use a Tornado these days, or a Naga. Deploying a carrier or Marauder into an open space complex is just asking for trouble, and to be honest, the ISK for either is much the same.

Does the Marauder class need a look at? Yes. Will it get a look at? Yes.

What will the end result be? Not sure. I think the sensor strength and T2 resist profile needs a look at, and the salvage bonus is a joke nowadays, but aside from that, they are as useless in PVP as every other battleship these days - and that is a general problem which CCP needs to address well before balancing T2 battleships.