Player Features and Ideas Discussion

you can not nerf friends

I think that you missed the entire point of my suggestion, the module requires a lot to fit so that you have to sacrifice something (tank or dps) to be able to titan bridge.

because tank is the single most important thing when bridging people around.
oh, wait.

it might be an interesting idea to make changing from tank to bridge a huge step that requires days to complete, but in the end it won't really change anything

playing with the cost that comes with bridging 250 BS may also be interresting, but in the end, once again, nothing will change

a limit of 5bs/jump is completely ridiculous

the thing that REALLY discourages fights is the fact that a roaming gang causes zero damage to anything of importance to anyone

Spoken like a true blobber, with zero interest in actual fighting.

Protip: not everyone is interested in shooting structures, want to control space or have anything to really fight over. They just want to fight. You know, as in shooting something, anything, preferably something shooting back, reasonably balanced. Non-laggy, where player skill somewhat matters, so maybe just maybe some 1-5 pilots on each side. In extreme cases, up to 20 pilots per side.

No, what discourages fighting is a combination of
a) knowing that you will be blobbed by people who don't want to fight, they just want to own :pixels:
b) players being afraid to lose **** (read: young pilots who didn't get the memo that losing **** is part of EVE)
c) inexperienced and ignorant players who believe player X will win by default because he is older and/or flies a specific ship type, i.e. just are too lazy to do some basic research.

You havn't played EVE very long then.

It wasn't too many years ago when we actually saw this:
* Players used to belt-rat, not run missions in highsec, no incursions existed, noone ran anomalies, there was no upgraded sov fortresses etc. Mining was still a reasonably businesses even in null- and lowsec.
* Players who did live in belts, they swapped to cheaper t1 hulls, anything from frigates to battleships, and moved manually a couple of systems to help defend against roaming pvpers.
* Roaming gangs were seldom more than 5 people, and defence fleets had no jumpbridges or titans to abuse to move faster.
* Miners and industrialists took part in combat, just like everyone else. In fact, many corps were mixing indy with PvP, and combat pilots were often paid by the indy players to keep their business interests safe.

You don't see anything of that today. Here's what changed:
- Players want to 'specialize' and don't mix. Industrialists and PvPers usually don't co-operate, they're not in same corps, the indy players don't help defend against roaming players.
- Jumpbridges, titans, upgraded sov HQ's (no belt ratting or mining anymore) makes nullsec either deserted, or usually massively blobbed home systems. On top of that, back then we had a few stations in a whole region, now there's often stations in every second system..
- There's alot of players who never fight. At all. Not only highsec players, but people living in null and low as well. That was never the case back then. It was quite often that 1-5 people would be entering our pockets, we'd scramble whatever we had, miners, haulers, combat pilots, exploration dudes, etc, everyone would bring their own pitchfork. And it would end up being 1-5 roaming guys in fancy ships vs maybe double their number of pitchforks. Pitchforks usually lost, but their ships was cheap and noone gave a **** really, they were pleased they had had their fight.

Mentality has changed. Alot of players don't want to fight to begin with. Other players don't want to lose, no matter what. One reason is they don't want to screw up killboard stats, another is they get smacked over dying (which did not happen unless you were part of some 'elite' club back then). Some people fly expensive **** and don't want to die simply because of that.

Here's what I'm trying to tell you: You claimed this -
"Gilbaron wrote:
the thing that REALLY discourages fights is the fact that a roaming gang causes zero damage to anything of importance to anyone"

Noone used to give a **** about what damage you caused to anyone. Now people do. That is a major problem in itself, when we stop give a **** about what we may or may not lose, we have won alot. Your mentality is part of the problem. The fact you even think that you must strike 'something of importance' is really telling how you think as the blob.

That said, people that see "free space ranger" and "ev0ke" under your name will just assume you're a blobber by default. Considering that corp + alliances histories, being some major culprits when it comes to actively promote :numbers:, only fighting over space or moons, withdrawing from proper pure-fun combat, having regular "roaming" gangs of 200+, etc. I've flown in those gangs with that corp/alliance myself, I admit I jump to conclusions, but a player that was interested in combat just for combats sake, would get the hell out of those organisations and run far far away as fast as possible.

i never said i am interested in combat for combats sake

i am interested in building a space empire with my corp and alliance mates. i am interested in defending what we build, i am interested in fighting for it. i don't want to be a roaming pirate. i want to be the guy that undocks to protect his assets.

Lol this is great.

Blobbing, like ganking, isn't real pvp.