Warfare & Tactics

One thing i see time and time again flying with the Amarr in the EU TZ is numerous individual corps and pilots flying around getting whelped by some of the large minmatar gangs. I also see that behaviour being mentioned time and time again on the forums from both sides. The thing is we do now have the numbers in our TZ to put up a fight we just need co-ordination and a willingness to work together.

As it stands its far to easy for the smaller groups in the amarr on seperate comms in seperate fleets to get out numbered and destroyed by the much larger,richer and more organised minmatar gangs. IPROT my alliance would like to start changing this but to have more of an impact we need more pilots and even more importantly more corps to join with us. If you are currently looking for an alliance to bring your corp into in FW we would love to hear from you, we are growing at a pretty good rate and take as many fights as we can but we would love to be able to take on even more.

Lets all get together have a little group hug and go and trash some minmatar together. Im pretty sure that if we in the EU TZ started working together we could make a large impact in a fairly small amount of time.

Andro

Wouldn't the Alliance & Corporation recruitment subforum be the place for this ?
Not that I wouldn't like to see you guys better organized. It's just that it doesn't really have anything to do with warfare & tactics does it ?

Problem in the Amarr militia is partly down to egos and partly down to people just wanting smaller scale fights. Unfortunately not much can be done about the second if the Minnie's prefer a larger gang, and the first is usually a inherent part of your personality if you 'suffer' from being egotistical, so not too much can be done about that either unless the lead personnel change.

come on down to metro. move some assets into metro and you'll find some fights. U'K sometimes will fight when they have 3-4x numbers but diaf with even numbers, D'K same story, TRIAD comes to help them sometimes with SFI/BB fleets as well. there is action in metro.

plus bbs
plus 20 vs 3
plus carriers (-1)

Unfortunately we removed you from the alliance because of personality clashes which were explained at the time. Sometime corps and alliances dont gel together which is a shame but cant be helped.

We will continue to occasionally run missions and mine in order to pay for the PVP we enjoy doing, we as an alliance cannot ask our members to PVP 24/7 without finding someway of helping them pay for it. This is the route we have decided to go down. Our alliance is a PVP alliance, PVP is what we do but everyone knows that PVP has to be paid for somehow

Try not to be to bitter about leaving, it was one of those things and im sure we will end up working in fleets together at some point, i didnt take it personnaly as i know not everyone in life can be fast friends.

Unfortunately you make yourself out to be petty and stupid posting comments like this which i didnt think you were.

You sound mad. You mad?

Regardless of numbers, if you still win fights, the fights must be at least somewhat fair. You just get to feel more pro for fighting outnumbered. Again, you're welcome.

Doctrines are FCs egowanking half the time and wanting to Hannibal Lecter a situation versus rolling with a Kitchen Sink doctrine and making do.

Literally half the time, Minmatar gets big fleets because people get into fleet and ask "what are we flying?" and the answer is "cruiser down", "knives, forks, spoons".

You have to make do with what you've got, not an ideal world where every character has months to crosstrain Amarr/Caldari or Gallente/Minmatar to cover supposed Doctrines. And in the end, it really, really doesn't matter if you kitchen sink it unless you have logi backup - after all, it's not like taking a Thorax to a shield fleet means diddly unless you have logi.

Besides, the biggest doctrine in FW right now is OGB alts. it is more important to tank via loki boosts than worry about lowslot versus midslot tanking philosophy. The moment you turn on automagical loki, it doesn't matter whether you actually have a tank, because you get mystical spirit fingers speed and unicorn levels of point rangge and sig radius voodoo.

Of course, this pontification will expire in 8 hours, with the advent of cheap, reliable logistics cruisers. Then it will help to have proper fleet tanking philosophy and fitting harmony. But until then, fill your basins with your dirty cutlery, and stop being elitist pricks.

Main problem is that people do not understand how different amarr militia is in comparison to minmatar militia.
Andro even if you would get your high sp pilots with doctrine fleets that would fail.
Main problem is here to understand the main issue:
People in amarr militia are for the fights and PVP here.
Most minnies (I suppose 95%) are doing it because they are defending their income and mission running LP.
The minnies only blob and run if they do not outnumber you. Yesterday a cormorant ran away from my hookbill. And 3 minuutes later a sfi^^
That is minmatar militia and it is all about that:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15370530
You will see far more of them soon because ?*!?§/)(`! CCP is changing rat respawn in plexes to only one.
If you would get a nice fleet up the minnies would simply hide.
Didn´t you see that almost all minnie fleets have the doctrine: "Go to that system. Blob it and plex it back."
You see pure pvp "let´s get fun" minnie fleets very seldom. It is all about plexing.
Amarr militia sometimes engages even when they shouldn´t engage. Simply for fun and lolz. Minmatar militia would NEVER do that.
Simply because to complete different goals. Minmatar want to hold T4 to make ISK with missions like hell. Amarr guys want pvp.
I really don´t know how long the minnie corps can do this further more. Blob Lamaa, sit with 12man in a plex and get almost no LP. But okay they defend their mission income with it.
I once did it 4 or 5 days in Kourm (BEFORE you got LP for it) and tbh we only lost Kourm (1.5months ago?) because everyone was sick of def plexing. I remember Greygal saying that she is happy when we get rid of that system because def plexing is *!/&%!?*
But minnies do it. And why? The are mostly mission runners and blobbers.
I don´t know any one amarr corp who could do this stupid def plexing in Lamaa like the minnies do it without mutiny.
So forget big slow doctrine ships. You have only a small chance to win=> minnies run and you won´t have fights.
But be fast and dictate where and when you engage and you will probably grab and kill 20% of them while the rest chickens out.
Then move fast again before they grab their friends and blob you.
The only stuff that is working really good vs. minnies is hit and run.
You remember our wofl packs? They were awesome.

@Bengal Dingbums
That´s a lie. As ex iprot member I can say it is one of the most funny corps out there with a great totally drunken fc.
You are having laughs like hell. And I haven´t read any whining about anything in any of my numerous chat channels for long.
So stop trolling.