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[Updated][Winter] Missile Rebalance 2.0 + Hurricane tweak

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Faora Zod
Don't mess with this DoJo
#6301 - 2012-12-01 03:04:48 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Faora Zod wrote:
BTW i love the suggestion of people investing 1.5bil into a mission ship, i would have loved to have had a bil 4 months into the game.

He meant if you want to invest 1.5 bil to then upgrade from base raven to navy raven. You do not need to invest that in a tech II fit base raven which can run level 4s fine, better than your drake because it will kill stuff faster.

As for the the type of ship required for level 4s, with sufficient skills and investment you could run some in an assault frig for the hell of it.

The point though about Drakes is that they have an op tank and have always done just enough dps to make it possible, even for relatively low skilled pilots. Conversely, you cannot do that with a Harby. The Harby cannot both tank a level 4 and put out enough damage to do them with any reasonable investment in sp and isk. The Myrm can be setup to tank them, but the dps is left even less than that of a Drake, considering the sp investment. You may be able to run some angel level 4s in a passive recharge Cane, as long as you avoid getting webbed.

Basically, it has been only Caldari pilots that can get away with doing level 4s with a low skilled BC. That is not balance. Or don't you understand that? Regardless, losing 10% damage will make the overly risk averse missioners spend more time to run level 4s in the Drake. Which is a good thing. Once the BC base shield regen is nerfed it will be even more mind numbing to try to run them in a drake. Enjoy the coming balance, and train a BS like everyone else.


No i understand perfectly well what you can do in a low skilled Drake AND I am already trained to fly ALL the SubCaps, I just am not fond of Battleships ROF and Speed is to slow for my taste.Still though you did not answer my request for a LINK FROM A DEV THAT SAYS DRAKES ARE NOT MEANT FOR RUNNING LEVEL 4 MISSIONS. So your argument is pointless to me with out anything backing the claim. As for the other races ships, you can do them in a Brutix or Cyclone maybe in a prophecy i don't fly Amarr to often so i can't say. Still though the patch notes are up, CCP has only half ass listened to people, DPS and Flight time is still getting lowered to please all the butt hurt players who don't know how to use a sensor damp. We will see how it all ends u
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6302 - 2012-12-01 03:10:56 UTC
Faora Zod wrote:

No i understand perfectly well what you can do in a low skilled Drake AND I am already trained to fly ALL the SubCaps, I just am not fond of Battleships ROF and Speed is to slow for my taste.Still though you did not answer my request for a LINK FROM A DEV THAT SAYS DRAKES ARE NOT MEANT FOR RUNNING LEVEL 4 MISSIONS. So your argument is pointless to me with out anything backing the claim. As for the other races ships, you can do them in a Brutix or Cyclone maybe in a prophecy i don't fly Amarr to often so i can't say. Still though the patch notes are up, CCP has only half ass listened to people, DPS and Flight time is still getting lowered to please all the butt hurt players who don't know how to use a sensor damp. We will see how it all ends u

So basically because sensor damps exist HML's don't need to be in line with other LR medium weapons? Also what Brutix fit comes anywhere near being remotely as lvl 4 capable as a Drake? Or even a Cyclone fit for that matter that has the same range tank and DPS a Drake can pull off.
Mr Li
BloodSword Inc.
#6303 - 2012-12-01 08:30:34 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Ocih wrote:
As I tried to stress in the original test, the variations aren't game breaking by them selves. The ships that are pigeon holed to missiles simply need their bonuses looked at. If the changes as is go through, those ships are in need of attention. Even the tracking disruptor hitting a missile, I got an image of Iron Man in one kicking out flares when the raptors were on him. He he wasn't hit by the missile but he was impacted by their explosion. If you look at tracking disruption of missile in the that perspective it makes more sense. I just feel bad for the poor old Raven and Drake. Abaddon took a lot of thunder from the Apoc but Rokh intro didn't create a beefed up Raven, it wiped out the entire missile doctrine. I don't even want to think about dreads and the Caldari plight.


First of all: where on earth you got the idea that TDs will affect missiles after 4th?

Do you mean by any chance that 1000 dps HAM Tengu? Yeah, I agree with you there that some ships need a nerf after this change.

Yes, heavy missiles aren't the only missile type in game.
"But those HAMs have very bad range!"



Please don't give CCP any ideas about this, HAM Tengu is just so much fun lol.Big smile
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6304 - 2012-12-01 10:32:29 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Faora Zod wrote:
BTW i love the suggestion of people investing 1.5bil into a mission ship, i would have loved to have had a bil 4 months into the game.

He meant if you want to invest 1.5 bil to then upgrade from base raven to navy raven. You do not need to invest that in a tech II fit base raven which can run level 4s fine, better than your drake because it will kill stuff faster.

As for the the type of ship required for level 4s, with sufficient skills and investment you could run some in an assault frig for the hell of it.

The point though about Drakes is that they have an op tank and have always done just enough dps to make it possible, even for relatively low skilled pilots. Conversely, you cannot do that with a Harby. The Harby cannot both tank a level 4 and put out enough damage to do them with any reasonable investment in sp and isk. The Myrm can be setup to tank them, but the dps is left even less than that of a Drake, considering the sp investment. You may be able to run some angel level 4s in a passive recharge Cane, as long as you avoid getting webbed.

Basically, it has been only Caldari pilots that can get away with doing level 4s with a low skilled BC. That is not balance. Or don't you understand that? Regardless, losing 10% damage will make the overly risk averse missioners spend more time to run level 4s in the Drake. Which is a good thing. Once the BC base shield regen is nerfed it will be even more mind numbing to try to run them in a drake. Enjoy the coming balance, and train a BS like everyone else.


This. I'm already waiting that dual rep Harby fit to be posted.

Faora Zod wrote:
No i understand perfectly well what you can do in a low skilled Drake AND I am already trained to fly ALL the SubCaps, I just am not fond of Battleships ROF and Speed is to slow for my taste.


AC Mach. Although it's up for nerf too in the future.

You did also say you don't like ROF of BSs. Well, if you use faction ammo you will hate AC Mach (talking about burning money Lol).
Sigras
Conglomo
#6305 - 2012-12-01 10:45:15 UTC
Faora Zod wrote:
No i understand perfectly well what you can do in a low skilled Drake AND I am already trained to fly ALL the SubCaps, I just am not fond of Battleships ROF and Speed is to slow for my taste.Still though you did not answer my request for a LINK FROM A DEV THAT SAYS DRAKES ARE NOT MEANT FOR RUNNING LEVEL 4 MISSIONS. So your argument is pointless to me with out anything backing the claim. As for the other races ships, you can do them in a Brutix or Cyclone maybe in a prophecy i don't fly Amarr to often so i can't say. Still though the patch notes are up, CCP has only half ass listened to people, DPS and Flight time is still getting lowered to please all the butt hurt players who don't know how to use a sensor damp. We will see how it all ends u

the point is that you can do these things in a drake easily, at range, with high damage. take any other battlecrusier and you only get one of those things . . . maybe two . . . i challenge you to show me a battlecruiser besides the drake that can come close to matching its damage and tank with a long range weapon

You think the brutix or cyclone can match the drake's damage and tank at 80 km? go ahead and try it i get about half the tank for the same amount of damage with faction mods at 15 km for the cyclone and worse for the brutix . . . but you go ahead and believe what you want . . .
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#6306 - 2012-12-01 11:06:25 UTC
Sigras wrote:
the point is that you can do these things in a drake easily, at range, with high damage. take any other battlecrusier and you only get one of those things . . . maybe two . . . i challenge you to show me a battlecruiser besides the drake that can come close to matching its damage and tank with a long range weapon

You think the brutix or cyclone can match the drake's damage and tank at 80 km? go ahead and try it i get about half the tank for the same amount of damage with faction mods at 15 km for the cyclone and worse for the brutix . . . but you go ahead and believe what you want . . .

[Myrmidon, PBPL_6200]

6x 200mm Railgun II (Spike M)

3x Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

4x Shield Power Relay II
2x Power Diagnostic System II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

3x Bouncer II
650dps omni tank
350dps@50km

But this discussion is pointless. I said it countless of times : if pve is imbalanced, fix the NPC, not the ships ; that way you won't screw all pvp environment...

@Faora Zod : with 3 month of skills, you can hop in a BS and do a lvl4. It's risky, but you can do it. If you are that much risk averse, you will still be able to do it in your precious Drake. Do NOT talk about ANY isk efficiency with a Drake in lvl4 mission until you want to prove how hypocritical you are. Oh, if you don't like BS for lvl4, just skill up and use a Tengu, you know, the ultimate pve ship. Guess what ? The Tengu will still be the ultimate pve ship...
Sigras
Conglomo
#6307 - 2012-12-01 12:11:33 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Sigras wrote:
the point is that you can do these things in a drake easily, at range, with high damage. take any other battlecrusier and you only get one of those things . . . maybe two . . . i challenge you to show me a battlecruiser besides the drake that can come close to matching its damage and tank with a long range weapon

You think the brutix or cyclone can match the drake's damage and tank at 80 km? go ahead and try it i get about half the tank for the same amount of damage with faction mods at 15 km for the cyclone and worse for the brutix . . . but you go ahead and believe what you want . . .

[Myrmidon, PBPL_6200]

6x 200mm Railgun II (Spike M)

3x Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

4x Shield Power Relay II
2x Power Diagnostic System II

3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

3x Bouncer II
650dps omni tank
350dps@50km

But this discussion is pointless. I said it countless of times : if pve is imbalanced, fix the NPC, not the ships ; that way you won't screw all pvp environment...

@Faora Zod : with 3 month of skills, you can hop in a BS and do a lvl4. It's risky, but you can do it. If you are that much risk averse, you will still be able to do it in your precious Drake. Do NOT talk about ANY isk efficiency with a Drake in lvl4 mission until you want to prove how hypocritical you are. Oh, if you don't like BS for lvl4, just skill up and use a Tengu, you know, the ultimate pve ship. Guess what ? The Tengu will still be the ultimate pve ship...

I agree with you, pointless discussion is pointless, but you realize that ship does 12% less DPS at 25km shorter range right? After the change it will be in the same range but now your bouncers will get shot by drones meaning you cant just plant them and kite . . . hardly the same thing . . .
Faora Zod
Don't mess with this DoJo
#6308 - 2012-12-01 12:54:04 UTC
So there is not any posts from a DEV stating that Drakes and or any other BCs are not meant to run Level 4s.... it is just like we have never seen a DEV say, we don't want everyone flying Drakes or canes it is just a bunch of players bitching about how others play this game. Do you people really think the DEVs actually give a **** what we use? Until a DEV actually states you are suppose to do level 4 missions in a BS your arguments are pointless.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#6309 - 2012-12-01 14:23:13 UTC
Faora Zod wrote:
So there is not any posts from a DEV stating that Drakes and or any other BCs are not meant to run Level 4s.... it is just like we have never seen a DEV say, we don't want everyone flying Drakes or canes it is just a bunch of players bitching about how others play this game. Do you people really think the DEVs actually give a **** what we use? Until a DEV actually states you are suppose to do level 4 missions in a BS your arguments are pointless.

No dev ever said it indeed, though, considering how missions are designed, we can guess what they expected us to use when they designed it.

And still, you are boring with your noob Drake, because the argument doesn't make any sense : noobs will still be able to run lvl4 missions, even in a Drake, and nobody cares, and nobody cares if their income drop by 10% because of this dps nerf, or even 50% for that matter, because there is an insanely high number of other solutions to make these lvl4 missions and because forcing them to use something else than a Drake for this is doing them a favor. Seriously, how can someone entice noobs to do lvl4 missions in a Drake ?!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6310 - 2012-12-01 14:41:49 UTC
If BCs were meant to be running level fours you'd be seeing all of them but the drake buffed. Probably your biggest hint that CCP thinks the Drake needs a nerf is the fact that CCP is nerfing it.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mission#General_Combat_Mission_Hints
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#6311 - 2012-12-01 16:56:48 UTC
Faora Zod wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
As for the the type of ship required for level 4s, with sufficient skills and investment you could run some in an assault frig for the hell of it.

The point though about Drakes is that they have an op tank and have always done just enough dps to make it possible, even for relatively low skilled pilots. Conversely, you cannot do that with a Harby. . .

Basically, it has been only Caldari pilots that can get away with doing level 4s with a low skilled BC. That is not balance. Or don't you understand that? Regardless, losing 10% damage will make the overly risk averse missioners spend more time to run level 4s in the Drake. Which is a good thing. Once the BC base shield regen is nerfed it will be even more mind numbing to try to run them in a drake. Enjoy the coming balance, and train a BS like everyone else.


No i understand perfectly well what you can do in a low skilled Drake AND I am already trained to fly ALL the SubCaps, I just am not fond of Battleships ROF and Speed is to slow for my taste.Still though you did not answer my request for a LINK FROM A DEV THAT SAYS DRAKES ARE NOT MEANT FOR RUNNING LEVEL 4 MISSIONS. So your argument is pointless to me with out anything backing the claim. As for the other races ships, you can do them in a Brutix or Cyclone maybe in a prophecy i don't fly Amarr to often so i can't say. Still though the patch notes are up, CCP has only half ass listened to people, DPS and Flight time is still getting lowered to please all the butt hurt players who don't know how to use a sensor damp. We will see how it all ends u

Lol, who the **** are you? Your ******** question is not a prerequisite for posting a response to your butthurt. Yes, you see it is you who are butthurt. Lili has been playing since 2006. Where's the butthurt?

Now if you want to look at me, a noob that started within the year, then ok you could accuse me of butthurt that my Brutix, Myrm, Cyclone, and Cane can't do what a Drake does to run level 4s. But I'll just laugh back at you. Lol, you said people can run them with Brutix, Cyclone, and Prophecy. Those are all tier 1 BCs. The fitting sucks. You can't marry top tier long range weapons and sufficient tank on any of those ships without ridiculous fitting help and maxed skills. So no, you can't run them in those ships, unless maybe a max skilled character with shiney mods and a lot of patience still in order to complete them. It's all about balance. You keep avoiding that issue.

Benny basically told you where you are wrong. Scream more to the devs for one of them to say explicitly tech I BCs were not meant to run level 4s. None of us have to address your red herring question. Cry more that your drake is becoming less level 4 worthy.

As for damps, I use them a lot in pvp. I love damping drakes. My damp boats are getting buffed. I'll love damping drakes even more. But to dismiss the balancing considerations for pvp that caused the Drake and Cane nerfs itt and soon in-game by saying just use a damp is disingenuous of you. Anyway, fit HAMs on your drake and get close then damps mean **** all.

The devs hinted at normalizing BCs at 17 slots. That means the Drake is scheduled for a further nerf (as with all tier 2 and 3 BCs). I will love your tears when that comes too. For a character that has been playing since 2008 and presumably can field more than a tech I BC stop all your sobbing. If you don't like BSs then post for a speed up for addressing HACs lackluster performance. They are rather weak. I don't see a point to training for them. But they along with tech IIIs should satisfy you for the time being or be your focus for posting suggestions (since you don't like BSs).

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Meolyne
Perkone
Caldari State
#6312 - 2012-12-01 16:59:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Meolyne
Faora Zod wrote:
So there is not any posts from a DEV stating that Drakes and or any other BCs are not meant to run Level 4s....

(Sum up in the link below)

Basically, it's not CCP's job to tell you what you have to do.
It's a (sandbox?) game. You're free to do what you like.
Devs are here to prevent you doing things ultra-imbalanced.

Id Est :
Carrier in Level 4 (=> gates / Police on TQ)
Titan in Empire (Anti-cyno Police)
Battleships in scripted Level 1 (=>gates)
Bot Miner
HighSec Pod killing with rookie ships (oh wait !!)
Escape CONCORD
Technetium/Dysprodium Conglomerate (incoming)
Titan DD 400km insta-popping weapon. (In fact, the dev who imagined that should have played Karazhan

But under-balanced things are not forbidden. Use at your own risk, hire Healers. (AKA logistics)

ie :
Frigate in Level 2
Destroyers in level 3...
T1 Cruiser Class (BC is a cruiser class skilled ship) in Level 4...

SEMI-L;DR :
So, i've looked around, a tutorial for Eve Online.
When i've started with EVE, somebody told me : Go for a drake if you want L4.
I said : oh can you link your fit. Here we go. T2 invul, L5 engineer, T2 Heavies missiles.
Then i read low-end fitting for raven. T1 invul, T1 cruise, L4 engineer.
Yeah it was only 500dps, Active tanking, counter-afking playstyle (i've lost one because my neighbourg rung the bell)

My low skilled char was not able to tank or DPS fast enough a whole pocket in a drake.
BUT, when doing in group, it's a good L4 discovery ship.

==> If you want to know what ship is designed for, in PVE terms... please take a look at this pic.
Mission Level Ship Design
you can also read the wiki for the first time maybe. link

Alternatively you can watch the (lol) movie Battleship (2012). You'll find out why a BS is for Pirate

EDIT : Benny OHU : WTF You stole my link ! Lol, writing this kind of messages during day work took a long time. You got my vote for being faster than me Lol
Faora Zod
Don't mess with this DoJo
#6313 - 2012-12-01 19:06:32 UTC
Deacon Abox wrote:
Faora Zod wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
As for the the type of ship required for level 4s, with sufficient skills and investment you could run some in an assault frig for the hell of it.

The point though about Drakes is that they have an op tank and have always done just enough dps to make it possible, even for relatively low skilled pilots. Conversely, you cannot do that with a Harby. . .

Basically, it has been only Caldari pilots that can get away with doing level 4s with a low skilled BC. That is not balance. Or don't you understand that? Regardless, losing 10% damage will make the overly risk averse missioners spend more time to run level 4s in the Drake. Which is a good thing. Once the BC base shield regen is nerfed it will be even more mind numbing to try to run them in a drake. Enjoy the coming balance, and train a BS like everyone else.


No i understand perfectly well what you can do in a low skilled Drake AND I am already trained to fly ALL the SubCaps, I just am not fond of Battleships ROF and Speed is to slow for my taste.Still though you did not answer my request for a LINK FROM A DEV THAT SAYS DRAKES ARE NOT MEANT FOR RUNNING LEVEL 4 MISSIONS. So your argument is pointless to me with out anything backing the claim. As for the other races ships, you can do them in a Brutix or Cyclone maybe in a prophecy i don't fly Amarr to often so i can't say. Still though the patch notes are up, CCP has only half ass listened to people, DPS and Flight time is still getting lowered to please all the butt hurt players who don't know how to use a sensor damp. We will see how it all ends up

Lol, who the **** are you? Your ******** question is not a prerequisite for posting a response to your butthurt. Yes, you see it is you who are butthurt. Lili has been playing since 2006. Where's the butthurt?

uh oh Lil has me by a year his opinion must matter more than mine

Now if you want to look at me, a noob that started within the year, then ok you could accuse me of butthurt that my Brutix, Myrm, Cyclone, and Cane can't do what a Drake does to run level 4s. But I'll just laugh back at you. Lol, you said people can run them with Brutix, Cyclone, and Prophecy. Those are all tier 1 BCs. The fitting sucks. You can't marry top tier long range weapons and sufficient tank on any of those ships without ridiculous fitting help and maxed skills. So no, you can't run them in those ships, unless maybe a max skilled character with shiney mods and a lot of patience still in order to complete them. It's all about balance. You keep avoiding that issue.

I do? I believe I am the one who he agrees with on what the real balancing of the weapon systems should be, you might want to go back a bit and read that part of the conversation.

Benny basically told you where you are wrong. Scream more to the devs for one of them to say explicitly tech I BCs were not meant to run level 4s. None of us have to address your red herring question. Cry more that your drake is becoming less level 4 worthy.

Benny posted a link and what does it say over in the right hand column under alternative ships to use for level 4s? OMG Battlecruisers! Of course i also realize that the list is more in line for newer players which is why it says alternatives instead of being listed as a primary ship.

As for damps, I use them a lot in pvp. I love damping drakes. My damp boats are getting buffed. I'll love damping drakes even more. But to dismiss the balancing considerations for pvp that caused the Drake and Cane nerfs itt and soon in-game by saying just use a damp is disingenuous of you. Anyway, fit HAMs on your drake and get close then damps mean **** all.

Good! you are successful in using them for what they meant for, getting long range ships to get closer to you so you can shoot them.

The devs hinted at normalizing BCs at 17 slots. That means the Drake is scheduled for a further nerf (as with all tier 2 and 3 BCs). I will love your tears when that comes too. For a character that has been playing since 2008 and presumably can field more than a tech I BC stop all your sobbing. If you don't like BSs then post for a speed up for addressing HACs lackluster performance. They are rather weak. I don't see a point to training for them. But they along with tech IIIs should satisfy you for the time being or be your focus for posting suggestions (since you don't like BSs).



I wouldn't consider losing 1 slot on my Drake much of a nerf. Do you think this is my main toon? Jeez you are new arn't you? who in their right mind would troll a forum with their main? LOL
Beast Branded
OGB Investment Solutons
#6314 - 2012-12-02 13:27:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Beast Branded
So let me get this Straight.... the Kestrel is a long range missile frig > the Corax is going to be a long range missile Destroyer > Caracal > Drake? > Raven > Phoenix > Leviathan

this entire bloodline has had only one advantage. they hit really hard from Long Ranges... the Cons: are the weak tank, slow hulls, that are useless fits when any enemies get in close..

there should be a Caldari (Missile & Range) Style BC in retribution.. not for blobbing but for the simple fact that's what makes the caldari different... IMO.... i always thought the drake had it's range bonus unrewarded as con to it's Combat Capabilities.... that AND the ironic fact that it cannot dictate the range (SLOW as fek)

a 5% bonus multiplies to 20%-25% at levels 4 and 5... the drake get a resist and kinetic bonus(weak).... But, it's design was fulfilled Perfectly (a general medium between Cruiser and Battleship).... it's master at long range and versatile to adapt to field duty (solo L3 Missions)....

Actually now thinking about it... nerf Missiles... But the Drake/ Caracal needs something more to compensate in return.. 10% range, omni-damage, ROF... Speed, something... hell even a 7.5% to active Shield boosting/ resist would be acceptable..
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6315 - 2012-12-02 13:44:23 UTC
Drake is slow? Compared to what? Plated Harbinger? Shocked
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6316 - 2012-12-02 13:52:27 UTC
missile nerf really sucks, it is unnecessary

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Faora Zod
Don't mess with this DoJo
#6317 - 2012-12-03 00:16:52 UTC
Watch what you say, the Drake hates will think you are Butt hurt over the nerfs. You know the 10% damage reduction isn't really that bad, the range is what is bull **** since it is what makes up for the ROF, and Alpha of the guns. Oh well, hopefully the Devs will give us back some of the range in a later patch after these changes have been in place for awhile and every one just starts using some other ship besides Drakes and Tengus.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#6318 - 2012-12-03 00:52:28 UTC
Beast Branded wrote:
So let me get this Straight.... the Kestrel is a long range missile frig > the Corax is going to be a long range missile Destroyer > Caracal > Drake? > Raven > Phoenix > Leviathan

this entire bloodline has had only one advantage. they hit really hard from Long Ranges... the Cons: are the weak tank, slow hulls, that are useless fits when any enemies get in close..

there should be a Caldari (Missile & Range) Style BC in retribution.. not for blobbing but for the simple fact that's what makes the caldari different... IMO.... i always thought the drake had it's range bonus unrewarded as con to it's Combat Capabilities.... that AND the ironic fact that it cannot dictate the range (SLOW as fek)

a 5% bonus multiplies to 20%-25% at levels 4 and 5... the drake get a resist and kinetic bonus(weak).... But, it's design was fulfilled Perfectly (a general medium between Cruiser and Battleship).... it's master at long range and versatile to adapt to field duty (solo L3 Missions)....

Actually now thinking about it... nerf Missiles... But the Drake/ Caracal needs something more to compensate in return.. 10% range, omni-damage, ROF... Speed, something... hell even a 7.5% to active Shield boosting/ resist would be acceptable..

Drake will still hit *very* hard at long range. And the Caracal will be a beast.
Azriel X
#6319 - 2012-12-03 04:44:40 UTC
I find it absolutely awesome that as I'm reading this article page by page, I'm selling all of my drakes and as of yet, for 4million below market value no one wants them...

I see missile boats as the young little Timmy with a crutch... and all that's happening over time is he's getting ***** slapped and knee-capped with a '45.

It's O.K. though, its not like I can't just use my cruise missile boats with super duper effectiveness...Oh.. wait
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6320 - 2012-12-03 08:33:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Faora Zod wrote:
Watch what you say, the Drake hates will think you are Butt hurt over the nerfs. You know the 10% damage reduction isn't really that bad, the range is what is bull **** since it is what makes up for the ROF, and Alpha of the guns. Oh well, hopefully the Devs will give us back some of the range in a later patch after these changes have been in place for awhile and every one just starts using some other ship besides Drakes and Tengus.


Yes, we hate Drakes. I am actually true hater since I own two Drakes and I don't have plans on selling them because they will be awesome HAM boats after BC rebalance.