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Lady Manus
Lumen et Umbra
#1 - 2012-11-28 12:42:26 UTC
So, with reference to the last blog:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73579

After many months we wait for some drone love that's all???

What about all the other useless plexes?

What about the fact the there is no faction loot in drone region and plexes?

What about there are no ded 2, ded 6 ded 7 etc... ?

Officers are the leastimportant thing they are soo rare that all these development will benefit only 0,0001% of the drone community....


LM
Alec Enderas
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#2 - 2012-11-28 12:47:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Alec Enderas
Soon (TM)

// gave it another thought - it might take some time before they bring it in line with the other regions, but nobody is forcing you to stay in the drone region, right ?

I am not old, just bitter.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-11-28 15:05:03 UTC
drone regions. the place for people who do not like people.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Lady Manus
Lumen et Umbra
#4 - 2012-11-28 16:45:31 UTC
Alec Enderas wrote:
Soon (TM)

// gave it another thought - it might take some time before they bring it in line with the other regions, but nobody is forcing you to stay in the drone region, right ?



True that but mine was a general complaint: I play this game since late 2009 and there has not been any cool pve features in the last three years apart, maybe, from incursion (thats however more elitarist).

All the efforts here are on pvp and keeping veterans happy there is almost no real effort for new ppl, for exploration or pve etc...

This way this game is gonna die soon, as soon as some serious competition will arise and many are coming.
It's a pity cause i love EVE BUT ill stop playing it as soon as i have a good alternative unless there will be major new things do explore and discover here and an easy way to bring my friends in the game that are actually scared by the PVP and complexity.

Iteration is boring.... at minimum!
LM
Grombutz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-28 16:51:16 UTC
Dude - atleast we have something done to drones. Any change here is welcome, even if its only a minor change.
Step by step - so that we can have other iterations/content for an expansion, and not just DRONES DRONES DRONES.

Oh, and I do like Iterations more than useless features like WiS.


However, I do have to agree that lack of PvE content is bad, and that bringing friends is also hard.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#6 - 2012-11-28 18:30:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
Lady Manus wrote:


What about the fact the there is no faction loot in drone region and plexes?

What about there are no ded 2, ded 6 ded 7 etc... ?

Officers are the leastimportant thing they are soo rare that all these development will benefit only 0,0001% of the drone community....


LM


Totally agree with out drones dropping standard faction loot or dropping alloys again then drone PLEX and anomalies will remain worthless. What does a drone escalation give you but bounty's and the chance of some T2 salvage which is normally sub standard isk value compared with doing a pirate DED or escalation which has a good chance to drop nice high value faction?

A pirate 5/10 can earn you up to 1.5bn ISK if you get the BPC and the good shield or armor module and weapon. The max you can make of a drone 5/10 is around 250m including the overseer package? Normally it's much lower around the 50m in loot from the overseer.

Drone's will remain completely sub par compared to other npc's unless faction drops are also included. I think just allowing drones to drop any of the other factions loot would be nice as it fits in with the idea that they assimilate and would also save ccp from having to make new drone faction.

The officer drops will not make up for this as they are so rare we need to fill the middle ground too.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-11-29 08:48:54 UTC
Nerf the other regions, they're too good. The last thing we want is "power creep" Roll
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-11-29 13:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahvram
Lady Manus wrote:
Alec Enderas wrote:
Soon (TM)

// gave it another thought - it might take some time before they bring it in line with the other regions, but nobody is forcing you to stay in the drone region, right ?



True that but mine was a general complaint: I play this game since late 2009 and there has not been any cool pve features in the last three years apart, maybe, from incursion (thats however more elitarist).

All the efforts here are on pvp and keeping veterans happy there is almost no real effort for new ppl, for exploration or pve etc...

This way this game is gonna die soon, as soon as some serious competition will arise and many are coming.
It's a pity cause i love EVE BUT ill stop playing it as soon as i have a good alternative unless there will be major new things do explore and discover here and an easy way to bring my friends in the game that are actually scared by the PVP and complexity.

Iteration is boring.... at minimum!
LM



Incursions to leetest you say? Funny its one of the only places in EVE a character that is only a few months old can be involved in the End Game type content and make good ISK without selling there soul to a null sec corp/allaince. You just sound like someone who doesnt play well with others.

Thank you CCP for the new drone Mods us incursion leetest are really looking forward to being able to use them!

OP since you live in drone space and are already set up there you should be happy. Im sure these Mods for the first few months will go for absurd prices as in several Billions. I dont cry for you as one drop could set you for a long time.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-11-29 15:51:35 UTC
no they arent going to sell for billions. ok its an officer mod but who will buy it. Will a titan pilot fit it ? no, then will incursion people get em ? No , last time i checked no drone boats on incursion. Then i guess with it now the mission lovers will try to have it cause it adds even more damage to their afk boat

Wait , npc will get ai so that mean no afk boaters.. I keep trying to see the vast demand for those that with the limited supply will skyrocket the prices and i cant. The only market are ratting carrier people that use sentries and still the benefits are 2 low if the cost is to high .

Drone lands needs plexes . Thats all. Maybe a little higher bounties for their anomalies also because they are the hardest with the less payout per hour. But main problem is exploration. It takes 2 much to even find 1 and when you do you laugh with the results of it.

As for incursions that mentioned once more i am from the people that i believe they need more isk/hour. After all they are high end gameplay that requires a fleet.

Ride hard, live with passion 
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-29 16:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahvram
Annunaki soldier wrote:
no they arent going to sell for billions. ok its an officer mod but who will buy it. Will a titan pilot fit it ? no, then will incursion people get em ? No , last time i checked no drone boats on incursion. Then i guess with it now the mission lovers will try to have it cause it adds even more damage to their afk boat

Wait , npc will get ai so that mean no afk boaters.. I keep trying to see the vast demand for those that with the limited supply will skyrocket the prices and i cant. The only market are ratting carrier people that use sentries and still the benefits are 2 low if the cost is to high .

Drone lands needs plexes . Thats all. Maybe a little higher bounties for their anomalies also because they are the hardest with the less payout per hour. But main problem is exploration. It takes 2 much to even find 1 and when you do you laugh with the results of it.

As for incursions that mentioned once more i am from the people that i believe they need more isk/hour. After all they are high end gameplay that requires a fleet.



No drone boats on Incursions? I know alot of Navy domi and rattle Pilots that would argue with you. The incursion community is probably the place most of these Mods will find a home.

Wanted add that these Mods will make drone incursion boats even more popular. Several players are getting there navy domi set up and foaming at the mouth for these mods to hit the market. Doing 2k DPS in a incursion ship is sexy. The market isnt over run with the Deadspace and officer mods that Incursion runners use for a reason. They have money to buy them up all the time.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-11-29 16:35:56 UTC
Ahvram wrote:
Annunaki soldier wrote:
no they arent going to sell for billions. ok its an officer mod but who will buy it. Will a titan pilot fit it ? no, then will incursion people get em ? No , last time i checked no drone boats on incursion. Then i guess with it now the mission lovers will try to have it cause it adds even more damage to their afk boat

Wait , npc will get ai so that mean no afk boaters.. I keep trying to see the vast demand for those that with the limited supply will skyrocket the prices and i cant. The only market are ratting carrier people that use sentries and still the benefits are 2 low if the cost is to high .

Drone lands needs plexes . Thats all. Maybe a little higher bounties for their anomalies also because they are the hardest with the less payout per hour. But main problem is exploration. It takes 2 much to even find 1 and when you do you laugh with the results of it.

As for incursions that mentioned once more i am from the people that i believe they need more isk/hour. After all they are high end gameplay that requires a fleet.



No drone boats on Incursions? I know alot of Navy domi and rattle Pilots that would argue with you. The incursion community is probably the place most of these Mods will find a home.



do they even reach and be accepted to a descent fleet ? When we are talking about incursion we are talking about maxing the isk/h. No just random fleets . The high end ones. So ..have the incursion communities changed that much ? Lets see armor fleets. When i was playing you would see Vindicators legion web , logistics at shinny fleets ofc. Rest bs just follow subpar
About shield incursions , i was on nightmare , along with machariels and logistics. Funny almost 1 year at incursions never really had a rattle side by side. And how much the dps can get on a rattle to match the better choices ? LVL 5 all you might see 1000 paper dps factioned to the limited range of garde and ofc losing damage due to missile travel time . Damage projection is way better on many other ships .
Dont get me wrong but you will also lose dps every time you need to move around or drones will get targeted , on armor fleets even those that do mwd you dont have a place for sure. And heavies are just 2 slow
Maybe some people from ISN, or TDF can actually comment if they take rattlesnakes or domis as viable farming ship and i am wrong here.

Ride hard, live with passion 
Ahvram
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-11-29 17:15:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahvram
If your using Cruise Missles on a Rattle in incursions you are doing it wrong. T2 Torps or GTFO =) Maybe its been awhile since you have been around incursion and yes you are right normally Rattle and Navy domi are not that popular. However incursion running tatctics have change and most fleets perma fit prop Mods for HQ now.

Meaning the fleets enter grid burn to optimal and go at it. A rattle with good skills, these mods and T2 torps after the patch will be a beast of and incursion boat. Any yes ive seen the Navy domi fits planned soon that are incursion runners with nearly 2k DPS.
These are all shield tankers FYI Im not familiar with Armor incursions enough to speak for them.

Wanted to add that I do not use a rattler or a Domi but i know good pilots who do that will make them monsters after the december patch.
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-11-29 17:41:47 UTC
plz i would love to see 2k navy domi fits. Also torp = 30km range and i been to mwd fleets all the time i been there. For torp you lose the dps on small stuff, then you deal with drone movement . If you use sentries then no sentries when you move. You say shield so main are OTA. You need to mwd either to center tower that means on some spawn no torps for you until orbit no torp no drones until reach the end and ofc the way i see it no viable contest to any snipe nightmare mach fleet . As far as you to know i am a rattlesnake lover have perfect drone skills but no way i see it having a better damage projection (not paper dps) on grid . Please tell your friends to upload a video of them going 100+ m / h with a drone fit. I am most curious to see it how they perform

Ride hard, live with passion 
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#14 - 2012-11-30 18:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Lady Manus wrote:
Alec Enderas wrote:
Soon (TM)

// gave it another thought - it might take some time before they bring it in line with the other regions, but nobody is forcing you to stay in the drone region, right ?



True that but mine was a general complaint: I play this game since late 2009 and there has not been any cool pve features in the last three years apart, maybe, from incursion (thats however more elitarist).

All the efforts here are on pvp and keeping veterans happy there is almost no real effort for new ppl, for exploration or pve etc...

This way this game is gonna die soon, as soon as some serious competition will arise and many are coming.
It's a pity cause i love EVE BUT ill stop playing it as soon as i have a good alternative unless there will be major new things do explore and discover here and an easy way to bring my friends in the game that are actually scared by the PVP and complexity.

Iteration is boring.... at minimum!
LM

The complexity of EVE is what makes it great, and has allowed it to stay and grow for over 9 years. Easy games die quickly. If you want easy play WOW.

Every great MMO has been based on open world PVP. EVE in my opinion has gotten it right. Or closer to it then any other game. The steep death penalty is needed to keep PVP balanced. Any game that has little to no death penalty or removed it after the gankers cried enough died shortly after. Look at Age Of Conan for example. Great game although very buggy at times. But no death penalty. Camping respawn points and killing anyone 10 levels or more below you that had zero chance to defend themselves was rampant in AOC.

No death penalty or criminal flags made ganking so rampant the game quickly became nothing more than a gank fest. I have not played it since well before it went FTP. And I had 6 max level characters with near max gear. The PVP was pointless with no real risk or reward. If PVP does not make your heart jump into your throat once in a while it quickly becomes boring.
Grombutz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-12-01 11:15:41 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:


Every great MMO has been based on open world PVP.


Tell me just one :D
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-12-01 16:33:49 UTC
Grombutz wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:


Every great MMO has been based on open world PVP.


Tell me just one :D


EVE Online Cool
Grombutz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-01 21:07:55 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:
Grombutz wrote:
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:


Every great MMO has been based on open world PVP.


Tell me just one :D


EVE Online Cool


Well, I do think it is a great game, just for a specific type of player. Sadly, on a larger Scale, having 250k player saying it is "great" doesn't mean too much. :)