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Tornado battleganker - the horror of poor hulkster?

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-10-21 15:16:43 UTC
Suicide gankers have national holiday to celebrate their new toy of joy...
How does your freighter feel? Discuss.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2 - 2011-10-21 15:18:20 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Suicide gankers have national holiday to celebrate their new toy of joy...
How does your freighter feel? Discuss.



Feels safe along with my hulks I have yet to be ganked by such. Police has more KMs on of my freighter than a player does.

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Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#3 - 2011-10-21 15:20:44 UTC
Someone needs to reassess his cost/benefit analysis with regards to using these as disposable ships.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Vastek Non
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-10-21 15:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vastek Non
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Someone needs to reassess his cost/benefit analysis with regards to using these as disposable ships.


Five words:


No insurance for concorded ships.




Its never made sense in the past, and it makes no sense now. You want to suicide a ship, sure do it, but you have to pay a cost.


Oh yes, and i'm really looking forward to the Gallente/Amarr versions Big smile
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#5 - 2011-10-21 16:02:14 UTC
I predict the novelty of these new ships will cause them to be quite pricey for a while - I would not be surprised to see the market move them at the same price as some battleships.

Comparable BS DPS, comparable cost means that it won't change the freighter gank formula much.

Also, there will no doubt be a couple rounds of balancing after initial release, the players will break these ships in many ways far faster than developers in testing ever could, and by the time the price of these new ships falls to the same cost as other BC's (if it falls that low at all), it is likely that there will be some balancing measures in place to offset the gank abuse potential.

Mechanics are in place to protect freighters against ganks except in extreme circumstances (15-20 disposable BS gangs), and I'm sure CCP will stick to this design philosophy and continue to safeguard freighters, lest the entire economy becomes rapidly unstable as main shipping lanes are shut down.

In the meantime, expect bucketloads of tears, outcries about the new ships being overpowered, general predictions that the Tornado will "destroy EvE", and the obligatory slew of unsub threats. It'll still be fun to fly though, I'm looking forward to it :)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2011-10-21 16:03:37 UTC
Vastek Non wrote:
Five words:
No insurance for concorded ships.
Its never made sense in the past, and it makes no sense now.
It made perfect sense in the past, and it makes perfect sense now: the game rewards you for destroying ships — for doing the thing that keeps the economy going.

Really, ganks should pay double insurance… Twisted
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#7 - 2011-10-21 16:22:00 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Suicide gankers have national holiday to celebrate their new toy of joy...
How does your freighter feel? Discuss.

I don't have any exhumers or freighter (yet)!

Tippia wrote:
Vastek Non wrote:
Five words:
No insurance for concorded ships.
Its never made sense in the past, and it makes no sense now.
It made perfect sense in the past, and it makes perfect sense now: the game rewards you for destroying ships — for doing the thing that keeps the economy going.

Really, ganks should pay double insurance… Twisted

Nah, take away the insurance nonsense and introduce arenas where you lose your ships .. far, far better boost for the economy!
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2011-10-21 16:26:29 UTC
gonna suicide hundreds of these things

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Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#9 - 2011-10-21 16:38:03 UTC
Suicide ganking was the first thing I thought of when reading about the Tornado... lol.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!
Anachronic
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-10-21 16:48:57 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
gonna suicide hundreds of these things


Suicide all the things?
Razin
The Scope
#11 - 2011-10-21 16:54:59 UTC
Vastek Non wrote:

Five words:


No insurance for concorded ships.




Its never made sense in the past, and it makes no sense now. You want to suicide a ship, sure do it, but you have to pay a cost.


The best solution is to have no insurance, period.

As a game mechanic it has completely outlived it's usefulness, as incomes have grown significantly. And it never made any sense in terms of RP justification with all the ganking going on.
Adunh Slavy
#12 - 2011-10-21 16:58:31 UTC
Razin wrote:
The best solution is to have no insurance, period.



+1

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Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-21 17:06:39 UTC
Razin wrote:

The best solution is to have no insurance, period.


+1 as well

I dont fly with it anyways, the numbers are buggy. It inevitably used to tell me that when I insured my Drake Id get back like 5x the price. But it never did >.<
So I stopped using it

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Yes
Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-21 17:08:09 UTC
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Razin wrote:
The best solution is to have no insurance, period.



+1


I disagree I think its great where it's at except for one thing; remove or reduce the amount paid to those killed by concord. Maybe cut the ISK payment in half?
Boris Ginnungagap
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-10-21 17:15:59 UTC
Suiciding in T3 ship...
Razin
The Scope
#16 - 2011-10-21 17:18:44 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:
Adunh Slavy wrote:
Razin wrote:
The best solution is to have no insurance, period.



+1


I disagree I think its great where it's at except for one thing; remove or reduce the amount paid to those killed by concord. Maybe cut the ISK payment in half?
Why?
Aidan Brooder
Dynasphere Ltd.
#17 - 2011-10-21 17:19:53 UTC
Boris Ginnungagap wrote:
Suiciding in T3 ship...


Yes, my mind boggles at the money some people have... Also the idea to destroy such a beauty to kill an ugly Hulk. Makes me sad.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2011-10-21 17:21:02 UTC
Aidan Brooder wrote:
Boris Ginnungagap wrote:
Suiciding in T3 ship...
Yes, my mind boggles at the money some people have... Also the idea to destroy such a beauty to kill an ugly Hulk. Makes me sad.
No, what really boggles the mind is how some people can't seem to distinguish between T3 and Tier 3.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#19 - 2011-10-21 17:23:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:

No, what really boggles the mind is how some people can't seem to distinguish between T3 and Tier 3.


I made that error. Oops I am shamed.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
mkint
#20 - 2011-10-21 17:25:02 UTC
What doesn't make sense (besides some fellatio between devs and goons) is why is there a new BC when there is already a broken BC class?

I challenge anyone to look at the market history graphs of any tier 1 BC for however far back you want to look. The price is completely flatlined. Compare that to the graphs for a tier 2 BC. Also take a look at the volume graphs. The complete lack of market activity tells me that the ship class across all races is entirely obsolete.

Now we get a tier 3 BC that does the same job as a tier 1? Why not just go ahead and remove the tier 1's from the game altogether?

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