Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Force those who want to make more isk. I don't think anyone is against more rewards for more risk.

No i don't but I bump freighters a lot. (more talking out the side of my mouth) the more dangerous it is for jump freighters the better. I thought the pos was a best case scenario. Now unless you can cyno right on top of the gate I think it would be cool to have to take at least 1 jump through a low sec gate or be able to be ganked making people who use wormholes and small volume ships compete better, then you have to protect your really expensive asset making the profit margins even better for those who don't have 8bil. Maybe even keep the jump freighter as a toy for the big 0.0 alliances.


Also can't you cyno in like 15km away with the bumper already lined up going full speed? Tell me, its vital i know before I argue anything else because either Jump freighters will be stupid easy to use or trade volumes will be low.

So I will overview what I think or at least hope will happen.
1. Ice and minerals won't cost exactly the same everywhere helping to bolster industries in different areas give each empire a advantage in building its local ships
2. Players will fight to keep trade routes open in low sec be it by breaking gatecamps, building safe cyno pos's, or escourting groups of industrials
3. Trading will have multiple flavors, the slower safer wormhole/cloak based trading and the large volume fast trade caravans
4. No more AFK freight which is boring
5. Increase immersion

I think it is relevant because the difficulty of using jump freighters means whether or not most trade will be conducted by jump freighters or if necessity requires use of other methods.

If we just remove all safe cyno stations at the entrances will it be to risky to use jump freighters? Will we see big badger caravans?

To quote one of my son's favorite shows, Archer,

"Nooooooope!"

You cannot light a cyno in high security space. Only 0.4 and lower.

I've seen cynos dropped right on top of a gate to high sec, so I don't know why you'd need poses or any of that crap.

A few points.

1) separating factions with low sec would hurt everyone but the strongest of alliances.

2) The area between two countries/factions is there point of defense. They should be heavily guarded areas not no man's land.
The only true to life example of what the OP is suggesting is the border between north and south korea. However, that isn't even a good example because people are allowed through, it just has to well planned in advance. Also, it wouldn't count as low sec. Low sec essentially means there's limited rules. The korean border is more of an anything in that area is destroyed by the governments.

3) Separating factions would break the market. Everything would be very costly.

4) players would simply conform. Everyone would either move to caldari space, or make the best with what they have.

5) would give major alliances like goons way too much power over the market.

7) would kill competitive trading.

8) Major alliances would have too much power and control over Eve.
It's bad enough that they're able to shut down ice mining, and trade hubs in general without any sandbox response from the factions. Thus, with split high sec they would basically be able to claim complete control over gallente high sec.

9) Doing this would probably be the start of the end for Eve. You would lose factional traders, then low end pvpers cause everything cost too much to risk blowing up. Then carebears cause they wouldn't be put in check by said pvpers and would get bored. Market prices would become even higher due to the lack of minerals and salvage. Then one alliance or coalition would try to take advantage of the lack of items available on the market and would weed out smaller alliances.
Those players would quit. Eventually, all that would be left is the strongest alliance with nothing to buy and no reason to buy it.


Obviously, the design Eve currently uses is perfect how it is, but if you're willing to risk destroying Eve, then go ahead and push this issue. However, good luck gettin ccp to listen cause. I'm sure they're well aware this is a terrible idea.

So since we determined that their is no way of stopping jump freighters from crossing low sec safely other than nerfing them or putting a giant hole in the middle of the map then lets look at what might happen.

1. Trade would DECREASE since most people do not own jump freighters at this time.
2. People who do not have 7-8bil will use cloaky haulers, wormhole based freighters, or scout iterons.
3. fuel prices increase.
4. Jump freighters are still slow once they get to high sec. I can still race them and beat them to a trade that isn't 5 battleships with a smaller vessel.
5. The gaps in prices will increase between hubs but the average CPI (consumer price index) will stay similar. Players who like to trade will have more profits and more engaging gameplay that is worth doing.
6. All this extra jump freighter traffic will increase ice prices
7. Pirates will have more **** to do.
8. Personal courier contracts will be worth more money
9. People can still trade within a single empire and make a nice chunk of change.
10. The difficulty for some industrialists who do not have jump freighters will help homogenize the concentrations of industry throughout high security space.

I infer based on what I know. There are really common wormholes that connect two high security systems with no w-space system in between. I click jump on the whole and I go from high sec system to high sec system, and they can fit a freighter going back and forth once. As for a trip that involves crossing a wormhole system if you jump through the wormhole with your freighter and you enter warp the moment someone shows up to kill you the wormhole is sitting their in range for you to jump back through. If you scout the other end and see no bubbles your nearly 100% safe and can go straight through once you arrive. As for odds of getting where you want to go that is the catch. If you find a wormhole that takes you somewhere else in high security space odds are that it is going to take you to another empire and you can make a trade.

As for cloaked haulers being incapable of replacing freighters no duh, however I can get a crane to near 10k m3 cargo. Thats enough for 1000 small guns, I could make a nice chunk of change if their was a 5% price difference between two hubs (just an example trade btw). For larger loads you may have to use a itty V and have a friend or alt scout for you, thats just going to have to be one of those trades for high risk takers.

Also responding to the number points
1. More ice of one type = lower prices for that ice. The less people mining minmatar ice the higher prices for people who run minmatar poses and capitals. This means more isk/hour for minmatar ice miners and icebears will move to minmatar space to mine their ice. I mean lets assume that currently 100 ice miners of each type live in each empire. Then my change happens and 75 ice miners from each of the other 3 empires move to jita. So now their is 1/4 the bears producing the other 3 races ice and three times the caldari ice miners. What do you think is going to happen to the different ice prices? People will realize they can make more money else where and ice miner populations should even out.
2. High ends matter don't they?
3. Station production and research slots along with planets for PI.

good idea.

Where you want them to go is the drawback to them being safe. Trade is not supposed to be as easy as it is now. A person who handles courier contracts will have to take into account whether or not they can actually get to said location before accepting one which I think is an acceptable drawback. If you end up stuck and are a trader that is a risk to your productivity you take, however as a trader you probably can make a new trader from where you are stuck at and then get to another space which I think will be only a minor issue. If you need to do something else then you can pod yourself, jump clone, or make a run for it.
You don't need a scanning alt necessarily but it does help a lot. You can use one charecter to find the wormhole then run back and move your freighter to it and hope your dscan can pick up the other wormhole and make sure the coast is clear. Not to mention you can always just ask a friend to do it really quick since it will only take a few minutes. Also once you enter warp any warp bubble placed after that point will not affect you. When your aligning for warp just keep spamming dscan or have your alt see.

As for a cloaky hauler your cloak + a mwd should be the ultimate solution for any camp unless you are terribly unlucky. Even then if you do not go for the cargo efficiency route you can still carry billions worth of loot. Also my previous post said the crane will not be hauling 10k robotics, the iteron taking two trips is not that bad anyway not to mention it can go back and forth between two hubs faster than a freighter anyway. As for a jump freighter an iteron doesn't cost 7 billion isk and fuel (which even being as cheap as it is will be subtracted from your trade.)

Seriously? everyone who currently has a minmatar pos up and uses minmatar capitals will just switch? What if I said Gallente instead? I would be more willing to buy a mackinaw somewhere else and make more isk than having to completely redo my entire pos setup and sell all my minmatar capital ships. Certain pos types have advantages over others and their will always be a demand. Not to mention caldari capitals suck so then won't caldari ice prices bottom out?

I also neglected to mention missioners who will face a similar scenario. People aren't going to stop using federation navy stasis webifiers and republic fleet warp disruptors. Missioners are going to have to keep farming those missioners. If everyone did caldari missions then caldari items will be cheap as **** making those missions worth less. Carebears are going to need ammo and ships and someone is going to have to build and move that stuff to the other regions.

As for station slots being limited causing prices to go up that means people will want to use station slots somewhere else. If people want to start setting up poses for industry and want a gallente pos they are going to cause gallente ice prices to spike because according to you ice miners want to be near jita. Ice prices spike and miners start to move. So that means INDUSTRIALISTS WILL MOVE HAHAHAHHA I WIN. Also when I say prices go up I mean that certain items will go up in value while others drop averaging out to be nearly the same as they are now. So in Jita Federation navy stasis webifiers will go up while caldari navy invulnerability fields will drop. Then the exact opposite happens in Dodixie.

So people will move out homogeneously, inter empire trade will drop but still be alive while yielding greater profits and low sec is now more meaningful as part of the greater eve economy.

YOU AND YOUR IRRELEVANT OPINIONS VEGAS.