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The Darieux Foundation - Seeking Funding and Research Aids

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Bedlin
Caldari Organizational Logistics Department
#21 - 2012-11-27 19:27:39 UTC
On the Jovians...
From what I have heard of them they are ancient, insanely advanced, and barely human anymore and I posed the question almost rhetorically since I very much assume they had to come to this at one point with us in the last few thousand years. They have obviously rated us either inconsequential, non threatening, able to be manipulated (this gets my vote), or believe we are similar enough to co-exist with.....eventually.

On the drones:
Thank you Scherezad for understanding my position as I poised it, if you "study in force" and discover we could meet a common ground I would support the effort. But I fear the last paragraph that Tiberious used, "However, if you end up trying to crush them, and fail, you will have another situation like you currently have with Nation. The Rogue Drones will know, with no uncertainty, that it is very much them, or you." I suspect we may already be in this fight and not everyone has received the communique yet. If your research reaches an impasse and they cannot be related to it will be your duty to sound the alarm.

Where's the promised loot drops for Rogue Drones?    --DeMichael Crimson

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#22 - 2012-11-27 19:42:13 UTC
Bedlin wrote:
On the Jovians...
[...]
On the drones:


On the Jovians; I'm fairly certain that we are doing what they want us to be doing, else we would have been pushed in another direction.

On the drones; the problem is that we don't know where we stand with them, how they perceive us, etc. They may not be aware that we are sentient. If we can give them a sign of this we may be able to begin a dialogue. Frankly, we just don't know enough about them to indicate a course of action. More work is needed.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#23 - 2012-11-27 19:47:53 UTC
That was not a call to arms, Captain Bedlin, it was a call to containment and study.

Given the absence of information, react cautiously. Stay out of their back yards. Do not interfere with them when they are acting in the regions known as the Drone Lands. Stop them from sprouting hives in your own back yard.

It may be that peace is impossible, but until we know that for sure, work on the assumption that it is. An invasion and attempt at genocide is almost certainly going to lead to them viewing us as existential threats that need to be eradicated.

You've had this history lesson before. I can only hope that the rest of the cluster has chosen to learn from it, rather than repeating the same mistakes.
Anslo
Scope Works
#24 - 2012-11-27 20:06:10 UTC
You people can't stay on topic can ya?

Anyway, project sounds cool. I'm in. What can I do?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#25 - 2012-11-27 20:12:50 UTC
Anslo wrote:
You people can't stay on topic can ya?

Anyway, project sounds cool. I'm in. What can I do?


I don't know what you're talking about, it's still on topic, since we are talking about the relative wisdoms of working with Drones.
Niccolo Machiavilli
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-11-28 02:23:34 UTC
I'm still in the process of experimental design which won't interfere with our observations. If anyone has any ideas for a standardized fitting for drone observation - I would appreciate it.

Research Priority:
Identify informorph sociological profile.



  • Notable Theories:

  • Infomorphs are a commune of independent virtual intelligences and programs which together form a single conhesive intelligence through their seperate parts.

    Infomorphs are a collective hive mind which reproduce and expand without any higher intelligence similar to insects.

    Informorphs are controlled by a single (or small group) of independent artifical super intelligences. Individual drones are merely tools and extensions of these master entities.

    Informorphs are a collection of VI personalities which transfer bodies in an experience similar to that of capsuleers. Individual death means nothing to them as they awaken in a new mechanical body instantly.



Experimental Focus: Design a means of testing an individual drones levels of higher level reasoning, problem solving, and critical reasoning skills.

Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2012-11-28 12:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
As a study into existing by products of the fateful events leading to the current scourge referred to collectively as 'Rogue Drones' I can get behind this line of thinking, but to advocate the development of new 'strong' artificial intelligence is criminal negligence in the interests of academia over common welfare and safety that I cannot endorse. In the same way we cannot bring immuno-viral strains and bacteria to the negotiating table, we cannot hope to engage strong AI in meaningful dialogue due to the evolutionary processes leading to the former 'semi-sentient' military/indsutrail drone research becoming violent, self-organising swarms of intelligent agents being a mystery even now.

Discovery of the root of this emergence, however, is a field I would be interested in contributing to, be it fiscally or through my own academic background in highly dynamic intelligent systems. I must point out, however, that my background deals specifically with subsystem and communications elements targeted at so called weak AI; my reservations with regards to encouraging strong AI development cannot be stressed enough.

I would therefore push for you to first engage in a review of the laws as laid out by CONCORD with regards to this research, before discussing them in the light of ethical considerations with a group of peers that you wish to work with. Without consensus on this issue, your research will likely be mired in the embryonic stage, as was A'J and other notable examples. Secondly, I would expect contributors to your research to publish or distribute papers of previous or current work to ensure that you are on the same page academically, ethically and developmentally.

To provide some ground rules as to my personal requirements for further engagement as of this post, I would like to request the following:


  • Strong AI research is observational only, based on existing examples in 'the wild' - the indiginous artificial inhabitants of the Drone Regions for example.
  • The development of strong AI by any party is grounds for expulsion and appropriate measures to ensure their work does not result in repetition of historical mistakes (by destruction should it be required).
  • All research is submitted as 'open publication' - no back room research or monetisation of militarily, industrially or socially impacting works based on the research of the Rogue Drone scourge should be tolerated, we have enough blood money in circulation already.
  • Group endorsed publication bearing the corporate name/logo is subject to peer review of contributors. Independent publication is grounds for censure - this independent research is the highest area of risk for rogue academics attempting to experimentally dabble in strong AI outside the purview of the group, whilst attempting to tap said groups resources.


I stress that these conditions are my personal ground rules for participation. I do not seek to put my own stamp on your project, but if these guarantees cannot be made, I shall waste no more time on this effort. Should they be acceptable and formalised by your good self, I shall submit a brief overview of my work into 'Fluid Routing as a means for Interstellar management of Independent Intelligent Agents' as an offering of goodwill and submission to the aforementioned peer review process.

I have faith that you will make the right choices in this matter and spare us a second wave of machines that see us as mere resources in their need to procreate and utilise our space as their breeding grounds.

Regards,

Aelisha Montenagre.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Anslo
Scope Works
#28 - 2012-11-28 13:54:20 UTC
Niccolo Machiavilli wrote:
I'm still in the process of experimental design which won't interfere with our observations. If anyone has any ideas for a standardized fitting for drone observation - I would appreciate it.

Research Priority:
Identify informorph sociological profile.



  • Notable Theories:

  • Infomorphs are a commune of independent virtual intelligences and programs which together form a single conhesive intelligence through their seperate parts.

    Infomorphs are a collective hive mind which reproduce and expand without any higher intelligence similar to insects.

    Informorphs are controlled by a single (or small group) of independent artifical super intelligences. Individual drones are merely tools and extensions of these master entities.

    Informorphs are a collection of VI personalities which transfer bodies in an experience similar to that of capsuleers. Individual death means nothing to them as they awaken in a new mechanical body instantly.



Experimental Focus: Design a means of testing an individual drones levels of higher level reasoning, problem solving, and critical reasoning skills.



You got an abstract for any of this yet? Any kind of summary about how this is gonna be done?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-12-01 05:45:38 UTC
Might I direct you to some archives from the Arek`Jaalan Project
Theta
Omega
Omnicron
Rho

It seems the project has went dormant for 1 reason or another but hopefully this work will enable to you speed your work to quicker results.
Gussarde en Welle
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2012-12-06 17:52:05 UTC
I had one of my own experimental survey drones go rogue on me inside a station a few weeks ago; a terrifying experience I can assure you. And expensive, I had to pay a large fine to the station management.
I would certainly be interested in pursuing these studies.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#31 - 2012-12-06 18:15:22 UTC
Just to note, the commander of this project came into the Summit the other day raving about how his poorly controlled Rogue Drone turned on him and killed 5 of his researchers.

I wouldn't touch this guy's research with a 10 foot pole.
Esna Pitoojee
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2012-12-06 19:18:18 UTC
For once I am forced to agree with the zombie.

Mr. Machiavilli, it has become increasingly obvious that your method of research can be summed up as "poke a rogue drone and see what happens." While not an invalid mechanism on its own, the distinct lack of emphasis on security, safety, and concern for your co-workers over your subjects is, to say the least, disturbing.

Until such time as you can provide evidence of increased determination to uphold the safety of your project and those working on it over any theoretical results, I do not believe I will be supporting your program.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2012-12-06 19:33:01 UTC
Disappointing but predictable.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

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