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Tibus Heth Assassination Attempt
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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#21 - 2012-12-01 01:20:36 UTC
There was a shooter. In the crowd. You don't let him get a second shot off. The coward was in a crowd of unarmed civilians when he took his shot and the Security Team's first priority HAS to be to prevent the shooter getting a second shot off.

Most of the injuries were caused by the firing of STUN rounds. I wouldn't be surprised if the deaths were caused by trampling or by adverse reactions to the Stun rounds too. As for Heth's supposed "Paranoia" and the total security that is said to have surrounded him, in the State Heth-haan is known for the risks he takes to keep himself accessible to his people. There were 12,000 people at the rally and he routinely gave such speeches in public.

Some of you are talking about things you're vastly ignorant of, just to hear the sound of your own voices. Remember that there are people reading who actually have a personal stake in this.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#22 - 2012-12-01 01:31:09 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Some of you are talking about things you're vastly ignorant of, just to hear the sound of your own voices. Remember that there are people reading who actually have a personal stake in this.


Rubbish. I'm just pointing out the fact that the injury of one man has apparently taken precedence over the injuries of two-hundred and the death of three.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#23 - 2012-12-01 01:49:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

Right, because an assassination attempt on the head of state of one of New Eden's four superpowers is remotely comparable to the destruction of a frontier city on the fringes of Federation space that no one in space ever heard about until a few weeks ago.

How many millions of cities exist in each sovereignty? And how many space settlements get destroyed everyday with no empire intervention?

Try again.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Some of you are talking about things you're vastly ignorant of, just to hear the sound of your own voices. Remember that there are people reading who actually have a personal stake in this.


Rubbish. I'm just pointing out the fact that the injury of one man has apparently taken precedence over the injuries of two-hundred and the death of three.


Which apparently takes precedence over the outright deaths of several million, apparently because you 'have never heard of' them? Your hypocrisy is astounding.

Katrina Oniseki
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-12-01 01:53:27 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Some of you are talking about things you're vastly ignorant of, just to hear the sound of your own voices. Remember that there are people reading who actually have a personal stake in this.


Rubbish. I'm just pointing out the fact that the injury of one man has apparently taken precedence over the injuries of two-hundred and the death of three.


*sighing and taking a deep breath*

It also only took 1 person who's motivations for his actions are unknown at this time to set these actions into motion. In a worse case scenario you have a dead leader and an excuse for long term martial law and an even longer purge of those that might be thought not to be loyal to the state.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#25 - 2012-12-01 02:00:47 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Which apparently takes precedence over the outright deaths of several million, apparently because you 'have never heard of' them? Your hypocrisy is astounding.


How is Rilnais even bloody relevant to what has happened on New Caldari Prime?

Good grief.

My original point is that three people have died and two hundred people have been injured, yet Tibus Heth's life takes priority over the common citizen. Then Rilnais was brought up when the two incidents are not even remotely comparable.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#26 - 2012-12-01 02:06:51 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

My original point is that three people have died and two hundred people have been injured, yet Tibus Heth's life takes priority over the common citizen.


Congratulations, you've pointed out the obvious.

Katrina Oniseki
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#27 - 2012-12-01 02:11:22 UTC
So obvious, that it wasn't even brought up until now. I'll be sure to remember that the Caldari put more stock in the lives of their leaders than citizens, in which case.
Jev North
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-12-01 02:20:38 UTC
You must be very limber, ms. Inhonores, because that's stretching it pretty far.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#29 - 2012-12-01 02:20:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
So obvious, that it wasn't even brought up until now. I'll be sure to remember that the Caldari put more stock in the lives of their leaders than citizens, in which case.


I shouldn't have to explain to you why the welfare of a Head of State is a higher priority than that of a common citizen. Stop trying to score cheap political points, Inhonores.

Heth's life or death is more important than you, me, or that entire crowd of 12000.

Whether he lives or dies from this incident may very well determine the survival or death of countless trillions, many of which would be Federal Citizens.

Katrina Oniseki
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#30 - 2012-12-01 02:31:22 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
So obvious, that it wasn't even brought up until now. I'll be sure to remember that the Caldari put more stock in the lives of their leaders than citizens, in which case.


Well, the State is a meritocracy.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2012-12-01 03:16:21 UTC
Caviar Liberta wrote:
It also only took 1 person who's motivations for his actions are unknown at this time to set these actions into motion. In a worse case scenario you have a dead leader and an excuse for long term martial law and an even longer purge of those that might be thought not to be loyal to the state.


A worst case scenario? That is nowhere near the worst possible case. Worst possible case is that this turns out not to have been the deranged actions of a lone gunman and, Ancestors Forbid, there's ties back to another organisation or Empire and then we have a war that makes the current border disagreements look like a nature ramble.

Slightly better than that is that it only turns out to have been one, or a group, of the big Eight that were involved and the State is headed for a brutal Civil War. No, a temporary interruption of freedoms and a more active than normal Provist presence is pretty far from the worst thing that can happen.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2012-12-01 04:01:04 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
What about the other three people killed and two-hundred people injured as a result of "Provist interventionary measures"? Clumsy riot control there.

I see no lamentations about those poor commonfolk.


Public lamentations for public people.

Private lamentations for private people.

We don't need this hurtful commentary right now.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-12-01 04:21:50 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Caviar Liberta wrote:
It also only took 1 person who's motivations for his actions are unknown at this time to set these actions into motion. In a worse case scenario you have a dead leader and an excuse for long term martial law and an even longer purge of those that might be thought not to be loyal to the state.


A worst case scenario? That is nowhere near the worst possible case. Worst possible case is that this turns out not to have been the deranged actions of a lone gunman and, Ancestors Forbid, there's ties back to another organisation or Empire and then we have a war that makes the current border disagreements look like a nature ramble.

Slightly better than that is that it only turns out to have been one, or a group, of the big Eight that were involved and the State is headed for a brutal Civil War. No, a temporary interruption of freedoms and a more active than normal Provist presence is pretty far from the worst thing that can happen.


Thanks for your response in further expanding the scope of the discussion of the situation. As I had stated earlier, you need to look past the images you are suppose to look at and wonder what is really happening.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#34 - 2012-12-01 05:18:47 UTC
Here's hoping he expires quickly. He always rubbed me the wrong way.

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Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#35 - 2012-12-01 05:34:59 UTC
Drinks on me for life for the shooter.

I'd offer them a job working for me if they hadn't failed to kill him outright. But the intent was there and it's good to reward effort.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#36 - 2012-12-01 07:38:21 UTC
I was surprised when i heard it, will it give Heth or the State a "casus belli", you know politics.

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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#37 - 2012-12-01 08:19:34 UTC
The sooner this two bit dictator is removed the better. I wish I could say I had a part in this.

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#38 - 2012-12-01 08:27:59 UTC
YOU COWARDLY GALLENTE DOGS WILL PAY!

Our dear CEO, the hearts and minds of your State are with you, please recover, we can't afford to lose you.

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Kalanaja
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-12-01 08:57:24 UTC
Sakura Nihil wrote:
Here's hoping he expires quickly. He always rubbed me the wrong way.



What'd you do? Sleep with him?
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#40 - 2012-12-01 12:17:36 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
YOU COWARDLY GALLENTE DOGS WILL PAY!


I assume you've evidence to this? Because I can think of several groups that want Heth dead, perhaps you should look within your own people.

Because there are those within the State who will profit greatly from his demise, bit like how he rose to overall control in the first place. How ironic.

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