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Destroyer and battlecruiser skillbooks

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Lin Gerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-12-01 05:05:44 UTC
What will happen to these skill books on Tuesday? Will they just disappear and the player reimbursed or will they randomly become one of the racial dessy or BC skillbooks?
Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#2 - 2012-12-01 05:30:19 UTC
those skill changes won't happen this expansion, and they won't happen for at least several months.
Lin Gerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-12-01 05:44:25 UTC
The question still stands even if the date is changed.
Merouk Baas
#4 - 2012-12-01 06:42:53 UTC
There's a devblog about it; look at the Information Portal forum.

Basically, if you have the skills plugged into you head and trained, CCP will replace them with racial versions of dessy and BC's, so that you can still fly the ships you could before. So, for example, if you have Caldari Frigate 4 and Amarr Frigate 4 and Destroyers 3, you currently can fly the Coercer and the Cormorant. When the changes happen, you will have Caldari Frigate 4, Caldari Destroyer 3, Amarr Frigate 4, Amarr Destroyer 3, and will still be able to fly the Coercer and the Cormorant with exactly the same ship bonuses. This will be more skillpoints than now (as you'll have 2 destroyer skills instead of 1), and that's fine, they even calculated the maximum that people are going to gain.

If the skill is not in your head, but in your cargo hold, I'm not sure. They will probably replace with a random racial book.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#5 - 2012-12-01 07:12:20 UTC
What will happen to the physical books sitting in your hanger is undecided thus far....

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Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-12-01 13:13:45 UTC
What about the fellas who have BC5 at 25/30 days when the change happens?

Ant theories or passed precedent to go on?

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Esruc 'Sadim
Lazaretto
#7 - 2012-12-01 13:23:02 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
What about the fellas who have BC5 at 25/30 days when the change happens?

Ant theories or passed precedent to go on?


I've asked this question a few times and no one seems to have the answer. I'm sure there is some bittervet who rage quit when he almost got battleship V...

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-12-01 14:00:11 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
What about the fellas who have BC5 at 25/30 days when the change happens?

Ant theories or passed precedent to go on?


If you only have BC at 4.

Then after the patch you WILL have to train all the racial BC skills up to 5 seperately (given that you already have the cruiser skills up so you get the racial BC at 4 with the change).

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-12-01 14:01:05 UTC
Esruc 'Sadim wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
What about the fellas who have BC5 at 25/30 days when the change happens?

Ant theories or passed precedent to go on?


I've asked this question a few times and no one seems to have the answer. I'm sure there is some bittervet who rage quit when he almost got battleship V...


Too bad for them

CCP already announced that they were going to change the skills and how they are doing it in October/November, plenty of time to get that BC skill up to V before the change happens.

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Merouk Baas
#10 - 2012-12-01 15:20:39 UTC
Well, it depends on what script they use, and we don't know.

1. If they use a script that checks for the level trained, then you'll get 4x Racial Battlecruiser at 4 (217530 pts each). If you think about it, your original BC skill at 25/30 days was 1,280,000 points, and divide that by 4 is 320,000 so you only lose a few points.

2. If their script actually transfers the skillpoints rather than just the level of the skill, then you'll get all 4 racial skills at 25/30 days.

I guess we'll see, I don't know.
Doddy
Excidium.
#11 - 2012-12-01 19:29:36 UTC
Well when they removed the learning skills the books disappeared in exchange for the npc isk value into the players wallet.
Matalino
#12 - 2012-12-02 03:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Matalino
In the dev blog discussion thread, CCP Fozzie already explained how they plan to implement the change. Unless there is a change in those plans, you will automatically get the new destroy/battlecruiser skills at the same level that you have trained the current destroy/battlecruiser skill trained. Partially training the current destroyer/battlecruiser skill will not help you, as only completed skill levels will count. In order to get the new destroyer/battlecruiser skills for each race you will also need the existing racial frigate/cruiser skill at level 3. The skill change is not happening next week. They are giving us plenty of notice so that we can be prepared.

As for the skill books, I have not seen any specific plans. However, I expect that they will clarify those plans before they deploy the change. They have not even announced when these changes will be happening. They are just giving us advanced warning that training destroyers/battlecruisers should be a priority if we want to take full advantage of the change.
Esruc 'Sadim
Lazaretto
#13 - 2012-12-02 04:43:38 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Esruc 'Sadim wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
What about the fellas who have BC5 at 25/30 days when the change happens?

Ant theories or passed precedent to go on?


I've asked this question a few times and no one seems to have the answer. I'm sure there is some bittervet who rage quit when he almost got battleship V...


Too bad for them

CCP already announced that they were going to change the skills and how they are doing it in October/November, plenty of time to get that BC skill up to V before the change happens.


Scool...I'm set for BC & Dessi V. I just wonder still

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Kenny Starlighter
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-02 11:02:33 UTC
Matalino wrote:
In the dev blog discussion thread, CCP Fozzie already explained how they plan to implement the change. Unless there is a change in those plans, you will automatically get the new destroy/battlecruiser skills at the same level that you have trained the current destroy/battlecruiser skill trained. Partially training the current destroyer/battlecruiser skill will not help you, as only completed skill levels will count. In order to get the new destroyer/battlecruiser skills for each race you will also need the existing racial frigate/cruiser skill at level 3.


I was under the impression that you need the current faction frigate/cruiser skills to level 4 to get the new faction skills for free, since the new system will mean that lvl4 faction frigate is prereq for faction destroyer, lvl4 faction destroyer is prereq for faction cruiser and so on..?

/Kenny
Ovv Topik
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-02 15:47:14 UTC
Kenny Starlighter wrote:


you need the current faction frigate/cruiser skills to level 4 to get the new faction skills for free,


That doesn't add up with : "If you could fly it before, You'll be able to fly it after".
Or did I miss something?

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-12-02 16:34:17 UTC
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73530

Quote:
Let us repeat again: if you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change. Technically it means if you are able to fly an Oracle by having Amarr Cruisers 3 and Battlecruisers 3, we will remove the Battlecruisers skill from your character and give you Amarr Battlecruisers at 3. If you had Battlecruisers at 3 and Caldari Cruisers 3 instead, you would not receive Amarr Battlecruisers but the Caldari Battlecruisers skill at 3 instead. The same principle work with the Destroyers skill.
Belitch
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-12-02 16:38:57 UTC
Ovv Topik wrote:
Kenny Starlighter wrote:


you need the current faction frigate/cruiser skills to level 4 to get the new faction skills for free,


That doesn't add up with : "If you could fly it before, You'll be able to fly it after".
Or did I miss something?



Correct Sir : Fly it today you can fly it tomorrow.

I think you looking at what happens IF you don't have the skill to fly said battlecruiser/ and combining it with the what does happen. You will learn any skills that are new to fly your battlecruisers that are required ONLY IF you can fly it now. If you can fly ship A and ship B but not ship C then ship C after changes could be longer then the training currently but you will always have access to ship A and B.
Matalino
#18 - 2012-12-02 16:52:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Matalino
Kenny Starlighter wrote:
I was under the impression that you need the current faction frigate/cruiser skills to level 4 to get the new faction skills for free, since the new system will mean that lvl4 faction frigate is prereq for faction destroyer, lvl4 faction destroyer is prereq for faction cruiser and so on..?

/Kenny

You will need the faction frigate/cruiser skill at level 4 to train the new faction destroyer/cruiser skills. However, existing players will be gifted with the destroyer/battlecruiser skills at the same level as their current destroyer/battlecruiser skill for each race where they have the frigate/cruiser skill at level 3.

For example, if you have Amarr Cruiser 3, Caldari Cruiser 5 and Battlecruiser 4, after the change you would lose the generic Battlecruiser skill and gain both Amarr Battlecruiser 4 & Caldari Battlecruiser 4. You would be able to fly an Amarr Battlecruiser with the same bonuses as before because the ships only require the Amarr Battlecruiser skill, but you would not be able to continue training Amarr Battlecruiser until you finished training Amarr Cruiser 4.

Thus the dev statements, that if you can fly it now you can fly it then.
Kenny Starlighter
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-12-02 20:55:32 UTC
Thank you for clearing that up!
Ruvin
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-12-04 09:36:06 UTC
Wait same thing happened once with BS it was one single skill which got divided after ?
Daaaaaaaaamn , now thats a change i missed :| so much time tto train 4 BS to V now ...

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