Player Features and Ideas Discussion

...............and speed and tracking (Thorax).

Show me a Rupture fit that the Thorax can't do.

Touché

However........5x EV-600's (yes, I know ) would cap out a Rupture using a medium neut on a Thorax a long time before the Thorax was capped out by the Ruptures Neut.

Not if it has a Cap Booster, the Rax is about as fast with a 1600mm Plate and 2 Armor Rigs as the Rupture is. Shield fit it is no Contest.

Rupture has Attack Cruiser HP with Combat Cruiser Speed and its 2x Dmg bonus gives it the fire power of 5 bonused guns. While yes it does have that Neut the Thorax has room for ECM Drones.

The new Rupture is a bit mediocre and if they are going to give it Combat Cruiser speed I would like the other stats to make up for it. Maybe move a low to a mid and do the Shield / Armor / Hull ratio like 1900 / 1400 / 1500 instead of 1500 / 1800 /1500. It just doesn't measure up to Armor anyway compared to the real armor boats.

Give it a good solid Shield Tank, the Stabber is the Kiter the Rupture is just slow and flimsy, but has a neut.

And if it is Armor Fit it can not fit that Medium Neut so if the Thorax is Duel Webbing as well it will kill it no sweat. Not only that but 1 Neut is not insta death for a Thorax with no Cap Booster seeing as how the Thorax can put out more then enough DPS even in an Armor Electron Fit to break a Rupture by then.

This isn't about who can fit what in X fictional 1v1 scenario it is about the over all ability of the ship. Fact it has a Attack Cruiser Tank, Fact it has Combat Cruiser Speed, Fact it has no extra DPS to show for it just the option of fitting a Neut and that is it. Being able to fit a Neut is not compensation for the other stat problems.

At what? It is sllllooow by comparison to Attack Cruisers and sooooo under tanked in comparison to Combat Cruisers. You are looking for scenario's for it to match up to an attack Cruiser that is so much faster god forbid it fights a Vexor.

It has the speed of a Combat Cruiser and the Tank of a Attack Cruiser, it is terribly designed. Meet the New Cruiser Rifter.

You are largely exagerating, and you lack coherence : if its not about fictional 1v1 scenario, what are you always comparing to the Thorax ?

BTW, you are using almost any Thorax fit capacity to compare it to any worse Rupture fit in that capacity. The most fearful Thorax is the shield neutron one, and it is the ONLY one able to kite. This one though have one of the weakest shield tank (only amarr cruiser fall behind), and it is weaker on cap and won't hold long under neut pressure (hello, no more MWD capacitor bonus).

Armor tanked Thorax will still have a weaker tank than an armor rupture and won't have ANY kiting ability, unlike the Rupture. The Rupture also have a better capacitor to start with, don't use it for its weapons, and is on the good side of the neutralizer.

Finaly, shield tanked rupture will still have more ehp than the Thorax, and more dps at kiting range. Would the Thorax close the range, neutralizer will shut it down.

Of course the Rupture is slow compared to attack cruisers, they are attack cruisers ; and of course it's "undertanked" compared to the three other bricks combat cruisers are... Minmatar ship cannot have everything : speed, tank, gank, range, cap less weapon, and what else ? Pick some, not all. The future Rupture won't **** all the other cruisers, but it will still be good. As Garviel said, it only won't be the best at everything anymore.

PS : In fact, after checking it on buckingham, shield neutron Thorax capacitor time is 1min10. Considering how such a Thorax need its MWD working, it's rather short. Should the fight last only a little bit, and the Thorax fall.

Slow is faster than half the future T1 cruisers in game... You are definitely exagerating. And tank is still better than most cruisers (fourth best in fact, behind other races combat cruisers). That is a good tank sir. Compared to most cruisers, this cruiser have a better tank, and compared to combat cruisers only, it have the worst tank, but the best speed.

This ship is a versatile and balanced hull. A jack of all trade but master of none.

Compare it to *any* other cruiser, and you will have some advantages to exploit against your oponent.

I'd still Fly this Celestis against a Ruture.

True that. And with an asb probably as well.

Anyway, anyone not fitting a Celestis for damping after the coming changes is not doing it right . .

mostly because they don't use cap and TE's heavily favour them.

Agreed, the fact that most people think its better to kite with arties than with AC's hints that there is really something wrong.