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PSA: "Bounties" are NOT "killrights"; Stop being bad!

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#1 - 2012-11-30 16:56:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
I've noticed a lot of people confusing the two, or even thinking it's the same thing, so here's a short breakdown of what they are.

tl;dr: Putting a bounty on someone does not make them a legal target for anyone, and having killrights to someone (or buying them) does not imply the presence of a bounty. The two are absolutely unrelated.

Killrights

A killright is assigned to a person when he is a victim of illegal aggression resulting in a criminal flag. This killright gives the victim the right to trigger a "suspect" flag on the aggressor at a later time, without warning -- making the aggressor shootable, and potentially resulting in his death. If the aggressor dies while under that suspect flag, the killright is spent and cannot be used again. If he escapes, the killright can be used again.

Kill rights can be offered for "sale" to nearby people. This is the equivalent of saying "Pay me X ISK and you will be able to shoot this guy here". Essentially, it streamlines the process through which the victim can offer an opportunity (for ISK) to take advantage of the aggressor's suspect flag to other nearby people. This would be applicable, say, if a freighter pilot wanted to clear out a gatecamp which had shot him before. He could offer the killrights to one or two of the camping Tornados for pickup by nearby people, hoping a spunky Rifter would pop up and kill the Tornados for him.

Bounties

A bounty has nothing to do with whether you can shoot a target or not. The bounty is simply a pool of money which rewards people who kill the target -- regardless if the kill was legal or not. The payout for a kill against a target with a bounty on his head is 20% of the kill value (or the entire remaining bounty pool if it's too small).

Bounties can be placed on anyone. It is equally "ok" to put bounties on the Tornados in the previous example, to make them juicier targets, or to put bounties on hisec miners, to encourage suicide-ganking. The presence of a killright makes no difference in the enforcement of a bounty.

Once again: Bounties are not killrights. Learn the difference.

Relevant devblog: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-11-30 17:24:50 UTC
Put a high enough bounty and for all intents and purposes it becomes a killright. =)
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#3 - 2012-11-30 17:26:05 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Put a high enough bounty and for all intents and purposes it becomes a killright. =)

Nope. Still only pays out 20% of what they lost. If I have a 1 billion ISK bounty on my head, but am flying a 1 mil ISK Rifter, anyone killing me will still only get 200k ISK -- hardly worth a GCC.

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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#4 - 2012-11-30 17:27:31 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Put a high enough bounty and for all intents and purposes it becomes a killright. =)

Nope. Still only pays out 20% of what they lost. If I have a 1 billion ISK bounty on my head, but am flying a 1 mil ISK Rifter, anyone killing me will still only get 200k ISK -- hardly worth a GCC.


This is what we call ISK sink ? Bounties can be great ISK sink.Did you know that ?
Aziesta
Binal Extensions
Xagenic Freymvork
#5 - 2012-11-30 18:42:32 UTC
Keen Fallsword wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Put a high enough bounty and for all intents and purposes it becomes a killright. =)

Nope. Still only pays out 20% of what they lost. If I have a 1 billion ISK bounty on my head, but am flying a 1 mil ISK Rifter, anyone killing me will still only get 200k ISK -- hardly worth a GCC.


This is what we call ISK sink ? Bounties can be great ISK sink.Did you know that ?

Nothing you just said was true. Thanks for trying though.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2012-11-30 18:47:31 UTC
Worst PSA ever. No celebrity, No piano music in the background to fade out with, No shooting star with 'The more you know'...Nothing.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#7 - 2012-11-30 18:47:53 UTC
Nope, no ISK sink here. No ISK is "destroyed" all the bounty ISK gets put back into the system once claimed. All of the costs for the ships for the Wanted person are also not destroyed, that ISK is simply traded to another player in exchange for w/e ship and modules he used.

The Drake is a Lie

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#8 - 2012-11-30 18:49:18 UTC
Guys, I'm pretty sure he was making a joke about how unclaimed bounties are going to turn into virtual sinks for ISK because they'll just sit there, forever out of circulation.

Chill.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#9 - 2012-11-30 19:01:22 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Guys, I'm pretty sure he was making a joke about how unclaimed bounties are going to turn into virtual sinks for ISK because they'll just sit there, forever out of circulation.

Chill.


You never know these days. People really can be that stupid.

The Drake is a Lie

Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#10 - 2012-11-30 20:51:24 UTC
True

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-11-30 21:53:29 UTC
How about placing a bounty on a killright?


I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!

YoYo NickyYo
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-11-30 21:53:36 UTC
CCP ganked me.

I am not, nor will I ever be...Nicky Yo.... The question you should ask is.....When will they release the NICKY!

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#13 - 2012-12-01 07:15:13 UTC
YoYo NickyYo wrote:
How about placing a bounty on a killright?

You can only place bounties on people, corps, and alliances. A killright is none of those, so your question doesn't make sense.

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#14 - 2012-12-06 20:15:14 UTC
wow you seemed to have studied both systems very well, that makes me happy!

did you just read our dev blogs or have you been playing around with the systems?

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis

Gotch Urarse
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#15 - 2012-12-06 20:21:16 UTC
Great post, this will may cut down on the tear threads as of late.
Terrible post, this will may cut down on the tear threads as of late.

Sincerely, great info. +1
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#16 - 2012-12-06 20:21:45 UTC
Most bounties won't sit there forever. Everyone gets PVP'd eventually. I've gotten some bounty payments on accident my first night of PVP post patch.

Every day I'm wafflin!

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#17 - 2012-12-06 20:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
CCP Punkturis wrote:
wow you seemed to have studied both systems very well, that makes me happy!

did you just read our dev blogs or have you been playing around with the systems?

Dev blogs, patch notes, comments on the forum from devs and players, plus some talking to people who have played around with the systems. Ed: also extrapolating from the FW payout system a bit. I'd love to play around with them myself, but I've been online less than I'd like due to school and other real life things. Semester's almost over though!

Thanks for the feedback, everyone!

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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#18 - 2012-12-07 02:42:42 UTC

Many thanks OP for the clear explanation. Hopefully others will read it and the torrent of fear and bowel releasing that is happening across the cluster will come to an end.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#19 - 2012-12-07 02:54:10 UTC
Weiland Taur wrote:
Many thanks OP for the clear explanation. Hopefully others will read it and the torrent of fear and bowel releasing that is happening across the cluster will come to an end.

You don't like fear and bowel releasing?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#20 - 2012-12-07 03:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: KIller Wabbit
Xercodo wrote:
Nope, no ISK sink here. No ISK is "destroyed" all the bounty ISK gets put back into the system once claimed. All of the costs for the ships for the Wanted person are also not destroyed, that ISK is simply traded to another player in exchange for w/e ship and modules he used.


Not a true ISK sink for sure, however I wonder the consequences of literally billions of ISK being sucked out of the economy into bounty limbo for who knows how long....

Probably a doctoral in there somewhere.

Given the missioning problems I expect PLEX prices to tank. (that's not a wish or a "tip", just my observation FWIW - little I'm sure)
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