EVE General Discussion

no, no, no, no.

As soon as YOU shoot something in lowsec, you will hate your own idea. Gate guns are only there to cause disadvantage for illegal aggression, NOT prevent fighting. Low sec doesn't need to be more safe via NPC protection, it needs to be more safe based on the corporations that reside there. For example, an anti-pirate corp could possess a low sec system that jumps from high sec, and ensure safe passage for people into lowsec.

As people have said, the safest place in lowsec is a pirate base of operations if you are blue to them. This would be similar to anti-pirate groups, but right now anti-pirating is pointless because it just ends up making you a pirate in the end. That's why there needs to be a bigger construct that organizes pirating and anti pirating to provide benefits for both of them. Benefits for pirates would be ability to increase sec status via tags, benefits for anti-pirates would be ISK for killing pirates, or something of the sort.

As well, whatever group has the most kills in a system should be shown as the "occupants" of the system. This would be parallel to FW system capture status, not the same thing. The occupants get some sort of benefit, for pirate occupants, it could increase sec status gain for kills, or for non-pirates, increase isk made for killing pirate boats.

Anyways the above is a ****** idea but it generalizes that something needs to take place that will bring pirating and anti-pirating into an actual set of mechanics in low. Along with FW, people will be brought to lowsec.

Yeah it's so hard to camp a gate with active links (OGB) +logis with a couple (10) friends. Indeed, kills should rule who deserves low sec, but then null sec and high sec alliances will become your overlords.

If something low sec doesn't need for sure is safe graveyard camping, this is already what you guys do and see the results. Pitiful

I've logged nearly 1000 low-sec jumps during the past week. On autopilot, in a real frig so it gives the opportunity for a km. I have run lowsec from kor azor to aridia to sing laison to metropolis, with lots of time in the bleak lands, kador...every place I can think of.
I've died more to Incursion gate rats, than pirates. In fact in the last 24 hours I have only died to incursion gate rats.

There are still pockets of activity, popular spots, but just a rough guess would say 80% of Low-sec is un-inhabited, at least during the week. We'll see what it looks like this weekend, but I see a real issue here, one that CCP seems to want to ignore. Their last FW adjustment fixed the noob farming alt issue, but that has left......Empty space.
Low-sec offers no benefit to the average player CCP, perhaps it's time to rethink low-sec rewards. In many ways Low-sec can be more dangerous than 0.0, perhaps the rewards should reflect that?

Got to agree with this actually.

I've said it before, but before the probe changes that made finding wormholes possible (where you'd drop a multispec and then spend the next 1 - 3 hours trying to find a grav or radar site), I'd bring loads of corpmates in Retrievers and Iterons 3 - 5 jumps into low sec to mine Crokite and Gneiss or have a pal help me run one of the several radar sites often found. Sadly, Apocrypha acted as an unintentional lowsec nerf for me and I haven't been back since except on occasion. Was actually a lot of fun trying to scout gate camps and keep an eye on directional flying around in slow ass mining ships trying not to get jumped.

As it is now, it takes all of 5 minutes to get probed down no matter what you're doing or where you are (which is great for bombing W-space mining ops). You can't use bombs in low sec. You can fly capitals, but you can't use bubbles. The gate and station guns are nothing more than an interesting variable regarding camps, and the belt rats aren't worth 5 minutes of mining veldspar in high sec.

Just get rid of low sec. It's pointless. Seriously, back on the bomb thing because that's been an irritation of mine for a while... Concord doesn't exist in low sec in any form whatsoever, yet somehow my ship is physically incapable of launching a bomb for some inexplicable reason? Seems like doing so would be more of a liability for me actually, considering if I launched one on a gate or station and didn't promptly GTFO to a safe spot, my bomber would be sentry breakfast.

Anyway, agreed with the "get rid of lowsec" sentiment.

Maybe not sov as such. Maybe "system administrators" or something. Make it based on keeping the system safe for legitimate industrial traffic.

To the OP: yes. I'm glad we had this discussion.

After couple of years in the game you realize everything need buff.

What, like nullsec. Then we'll have to nerf local as well as nerfing player cooperation.

Low-sec need a change/overhaul, whether its considered a buff or a nerf is irrelevant.

Remove cynos from lowsec and it will stop the hot dropping in lowsec. It will also cut down on the insane power projection that super mega alliances cling to.

Beef up station and gate sentry guns. In their current state they're easily tankable and a joke. If you want highsec players to even step foot into lowsec, you need to let them enter without getting WTFINSTAKILLED after jumping in. Going from gate to gate or gate to station will be relatively safe (obviously not as safe as highsec) but belts and sites remain unchanged and just as dangerous.

Lower the NPC tax on PI. Currently highsec dwellers pay 11% whereas lowsec dwellers pay 17% and up. That doesn't make any sense and only discourages players from going to lowsec.

Beef up PI yields to be better than highsec.

Overhaul the belts in lowsec so they're better than highsec but not better than nullsec. As it is now, there's almost no legitimate reason to go mining in lowsec since the same asteroids are found in highsec.

More stations. Most of lowsec has no stations. The systems that do are typically infested with player pirates.

And that's about all the changes I believe are necessary to revive lowsec.