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How hard is it to find an unoccupied C1 or C2?
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Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#21 - 2012-10-24 15:16:35 UTC
This post might help you decide the best way to find what you're looking for.
Bodega Cat
Expedition Spartica
#22 - 2012-10-24 23:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bodega Cat
Xen Solarus wrote:


I wouldn't recommend a C4, they're not populated for a reason. They've become the main feeding/battleground of the higher classes, and you'd have to fight to keep your space.


They're not populated because they don't have high sec drops, they don't escalate, but their also not quite easy enough to be done solo (you need alts to run tengu' rep's and camp holes) so bigger operations are better off going C5+.

Yes C4's do get traffic out of orange/red holes from bigger ops pipelining out that would love to gank. But this is a marginal problem in the scenario i described because if you are living in the C4, but you are leveraging your C1 static for income as a solo player, you can completely avoid annihilation style confrontation. If you ever get caught in the C1 through your backdoor, all you stand to lose is a Drake (rather than a pair of Tengu's, or basilisks that you would need to run C4 sites). Not a bad loss at the end of the day when it inevitably happens.

C1 money as a solo player tends to be good enough, specially if you get good at collapsing holes till you find ripe systems regularly (which will be tough considering the limitations of a POGO, you'll need to master unique techniques known by few to do this reliably). People underestimate how fast you can clear and salvage them CeeOnes for ribbons, at a low risk.

The most challenging thing about this for a new wormhole players is being tucked in 2 deep all the time means more scanning, and more feeling of remoteness. But, that same remoteness does mean more security. It's not a bad trade off at all considering the overall state of things in w-space right now.

You're gonna have to get really good at scanning anyways.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#23 - 2012-10-24 23:16:48 UTC
an advice and one

if you're anew and don't have your racial Battleship To 5 and remote repairs to 5 and slavaging To 5 already == look for a C2
during the time you learning your astrometrics skills make money ( find a Way) and BUY a C2 there is some 3rd party here.

When you get enough money to Buy a C2+Pos+ Structures+Fuel for one Month : buy it and brind a couple of friends With you.

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Mattalious
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-10-24 23:48:16 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
an advice and one

if you're anew and don't have your racial Battleship To 5 and remote repairs to 5 and slavaging To 5 already == look for a C2
during the time you learning your astrometrics skills make money ( find a Way) and BUY a C2 there is some 3rd party here.

When you get enough money to Buy a C2+Pos+ Structures+Fuel for one Month : buy it and brind a couple of friends With you.



To be fair you don't need your racial battleship, repairs or salvaging to five just to move into a WH. There's a reason Tengus and drakes are the bread and butter of low end WH space.

The other thing I'll add is if you are a couple of WHs in, haul as much POS fuel as possible in when the chances arrive. About six months ago we spent an evening running in a years worth of components to make fuel for a medium tower, simply because we're deep into WH space - C4 with a C4 static. Getting in and out can sometimes involved going through five or more different holes, and to be honest we don't tend to haul unless it's shorter. People tend to pay attention when they see Itty runs back and forth...
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#25 - 2012-10-25 04:46:03 UTC
And for god sake...if you see a Russian POS run...cause they'll PVP you to death...them Russkies love WH...I lost my WH to comrades Cry
LoanWolf Tivianne
Ace's And 8's
#26 - 2012-11-15 06:40:32 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
And for god sake...if you see a Russian POS run...cause they'll PVP you to death...them Russkies love WH...I lost my WH to comrades Cry


lol yep

yea my spelling sucks so do you go back to work school teacher your not wanted here
Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-11-15 06:53:38 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
And for god sake...if you see a Russian POS run...cause they'll PVP you to death...them Russkies love WH...I lost my WH to comrades Cry


See i find this to be the opposite, every russian WH corp i have encountered have always done really odd things, none that have made me wary of them and feel the need to avoid them.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-11-24 00:59:06 UTC
Wolvun wrote:
Piugattuk wrote:
And for god sake...if you see a Russian POS run...cause they'll PVP you to death...them Russkies love WH...I lost my WH to comrades Cry


See i find this to be the opposite, every russian WH corp i have encountered have always done really odd things, none that have made me wary of them and feel the need to avoid them.

This, although the PowerDucks seem to be p. chill about PvP skirmishing from our run-ins with 'em.
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-11-25 17:07:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Raptors Mole
If you have 2 accounts I would seriously consider a C3 with Low Sec static. Lowsec = less visitors than a Static Hi, but logistics isn't the mare a Static Null can be. You'll probably have to fight for one with a Static Hi - plus you get visitors, generally out to shoot you.

I just don't like C1's - the isk is bad for sites, Mass limits on the WH are very restrictive. Oh, and they smell.

Although P.I doesn't change with category of WH, but depends on the planets so you can make a lot of ISK that way. 2 PI toons should make enough to pay for your POS.

2 Drakes can run the sites comfortably in a C3 and the ISK is far better than C1, C2 and probably better than C4 sites unless the fleet is optimal.

Some sage advice so far in the thread, so will just add a couple of gems.

1. Large POS only. Well Defended.
2. Shoot people in the face. Often. Say GF afterwards.

Raptors
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-11-25 17:14:15 UTC
Oh, and once you have moved in;

Post in every Null Sec Whine thread "No Local".

Its expected.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#31 - 2012-11-26 15:20:10 UTC
Finding an empty WH thats worth a **** is actually pretty difficult.

All the unoccupied ones are normally c4's, or blackholes. With the current use of Tengus in low end WH's even wolf rayets get left empty.

If you honestly want to move into a c1/c2, find an occupied one you like and TAKE IT. WH pve'rs are so risk adverse they will most likely just shut up shop and leave.

Doing this will also do everyone else a favour, not to mention give you a taste of being a bastard like myself.
Longinius Spear
Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
#32 - 2012-11-26 16:09:01 UTC
Tommy Robotic wrote:
I've been looking to move out to WH space and am quite excited. I'm building a laundry list of stuff to bring with me and training up alts. However in the meantime I've been scanning down wormholes in preparation of the move (I know these WHs will be gone by the time I'm ready to move) but I haven't found any candidates so far. Is it really hard to find a C1/C2 unoccupied home? What should I do to find a home?

Thanks



An empty C2 imo will be hardest to find. As for C1's there are quite a few that are empty.

The best way in my opinion short of using Taggart is to find a WH with a static c1 and park you scanning character in it. Every single day you will have a different c1 to choose from. If that c1 isn't what you are looking for, just wait till the next day when the hole cycles. Once you find a C1 that fits your needs, move your scanning character into it.

Read more of my ramblings on my blog www.invadingyourhole.blogspot.com
Doctorkaba
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-11-27 00:18:33 UTC
you could also try living in WH space with someone else. Some people like the company and extra protection they can provide.

Want some pvp help? Like to fly small and fast frigates? Then join the in game channel Tenori_Tigers!

Patricca
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-11-30 17:10:11 UTC
Half a year ago we have been looking for an empty c1... We are carebears that do loads of pi, mining and lowsec exploration as we have a ls static. So we were mainly looking for good planets. And c1 to close out the battleships that could potentialy siege us. So after a few days of scanning we found that c1 are quite populated, specialy the ones with resonable planets.

But then we run across a C1 with 4 offline and 1 online pos inside. Was chaning owners constantly. And i stayed in there then for a few days. But the pos that was online was a weakly defended medium amarr pos, no estetics whatsoever with gun placement. And with my friends we have decided to push the owner out. We were 4 people and the "enemy" was maybe same size with alts. So we just put up a medium pos, built a few battleships and were figting over the system for a few weeks :) After it was clear that we basicaly starved them out totaly they gave up and what seems stopped playing the game for some time. Their forcefield dropped and we poped the hangar and mainthance array, earned 2 bill that day :) Removed their pos and placed a large one on the same moon, waiting for them to log back on and bounce of our forcefield :) Hasnt happened, apparently they got away somehow, as they now play, in higsec i think :)

My suggestion is... People in c1 are not realy trying hard, if you make their life hell with just beeing there is a cloaky t3 or something and grab some houler from time to time they will soon run away :)
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