EVE General Discussion

I didnt realize that a slight nerf to one missile would kill a whole race. I guess the Caldari werent as powerful as they thought if a slight fart could push them off the edge. RIP Caldari race, if only you had another ship to choose from besides the Tengu/Drake.

That just wiffle I'm afraid.

Fury HML lose out on damage, (lots of) range, explosion velocity AND signature radius.


It's not the end of days but it's VERY noticeable and non-trivial.

Hi Jorma, more sideways posting ignoring the point as always I see.

I'm not getting into this with you again.

I'm still torn between whether to focus my training on lasers or missiles. The prospect of an upcoming nerf to the most interesting category of missile should be offputting, but the math just doesn't seem to give cause for concern to my relatively inexperienced eye: Damage / ROF for standard ammo at Tech I puts HMLs comfortably ahead of Beam Lasers to the point where it seems like they ought to be able to still absorb the nerf and come out fighting. Granted, they don't have the same access to high-damage ammo types, but that's offset by their lack of capacitor cost, ability to switch to auto-targeting versions, ease of access to pure versions of each damage type, and general effectiveness at any range up to their maximum.

On the other hand, lasers are very shiny.

It doesn't help that the Amarrian ship designs / progression are confusing as all get out: laser ships become close range missile boats at tech II, there's a lack of tech I missile boats (and yet they're turning the Inquisitor into something else?) but there's also strange gaps in the line up of "combat" rather than "attack" laser boats (and yet they're turning the prophecy into something else?) and the whole thing just kinda gives me a headache. At least the Caldari line up of missile boats is somewhat more consistent.

I think the nerf is measured and sensible.

And if the Drake becomes kind of crappy and is not much used anymore, that's actually not so bad. It has had its time in the sun... years, actually. Time to shake up things a little and make something else the most popular BC.

Not that I think it'll happen, Drake's gonna be fine, especially with HAMs.

If they know that missiles are going to take a hit, (pardon the pun) they will probably also know that drones are due for a bashing in missions as well.

So true.

Do it like the rest of us. Find the new cookie cutter ship with the cookie cutter fit to do the cookie cutter content.

It is not, and it is trivial because when talking about T2 missiles, the overall dps is practically increased with the new changes. Damage/dps decrease =/= damage penalties. Countering penalties in missiles are done by fitting mid slot mods. Dps mods are low slot mods. So when you minimize the penalties to an acceptable level, for instance in missiles say it's to deal it's max potential to battlecruiser hulls and above (or even cruisers and above), all it's left is the dps, which will get added bonus in the next patch.

A single TP with GMP at IV (even without rigors/flares) will still almost eliminate the penalties caused by exp. radius-target sig. The only thing left is the exp. velocity changes and since it's a 2 digit number (or 3 with good skills), -16% change is almost insignificant to the extent that it's the same as it is now.

Unlike guns, missile boats don't need TEs (yet), so even with stacking penalties, the potential dps difference in comparison is still pretty wide.

Is this sarcasm or do you not know what rigs to use or what to put into the low slots?

is this just a troll? really? if you arent clobbering L3 missions inna drake, i have one thing to say.
YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.
a well fit drake can do 500+ dps. if thats waaay more than you are getting, check your fitttings, check your rigs, and for heavens sake train your support skills to at LEAST 4