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On the events in Evaulon on 29/11/114

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Vlad Cetes
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#21 - 2012-11-30 02:18:50 UTC
Boo hoo, civilians died. Try worrying about something important for a change.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#22 - 2012-11-30 02:20:15 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
True Slave Foundations spent several hours rescuing survivors of the battle in space. Our access to the planet is limited, but we hope that the planetary governors will be able to handle themselves.

Survivors of ships which were fighting the Serpentis will be released once our medical teams are finished with them, assuming the survivors wish to return, and their respective commanders and countrymen will be willing to take them.

We also rescued the survivors the Serpentis carriers. Survivors of ships known to be affiliated with the Serpentis, or capsuleers known to be on their side, will not be returned. They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves.


Forgive me for being out of the loop, but since when has TSF and Nation taken such a hardline stance against Serpentis? I was under the impression you were far more interested in returning the gruesome favor paid to you by the Big Four.

Katrina Oniseki

Deterro
Chat GPTEve
#23 - 2012-11-30 03:04:17 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:

This is not capitalizing on a tragedy


Tiberious, if a call for Empire faction members to break off and align themselves with parties such as those of pirates or, in your terms, an 'emergent empire' is not capitalising on the tragic deaths of these people, then what is?

We all know where your sympathy (or loyalty, even) lies, and that is no other than the 'emergent empire' of Mr Kuvakei, a deluded maniac who has committed far worse atrocities against humanity. And now you call for our alignment with his faction under the pretence of dissatisfaction with the Empires?

Even though I'm very much dissatisfied with the status quo pertaining to the Caldari, Amarr, Gallente and Minmatar governments and corporations, I'm convinced that remaining (loosely) under their banner, in the form of combating Sansha's incursions against Empire space is a far better solution that mitigates an extremely greater degree of harm done to humanity as a whole compared to aligning with Kuvakei.

Hypocrite.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#24 - 2012-11-30 03:30:31 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
True Slave Foundations spent several hours rescuing survivors of the battle in space. Our access to the planet is limited, but we hope that the planetary governors will be able to handle themselves.

Survivors of ships which were fighting the Serpentis will be released once our medical teams are finished with them, assuming the survivors wish to return, and their respective commanders and countrymen will be willing to take them.

We also rescued the survivors the Serpentis carriers. Survivors of ships known to be affiliated with the Serpentis, or capsuleers known to be on their side, will not be returned. They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves.


Forgive me for being out of the loop, but since when has TSF and Nation taken such a hardline stance against Serpentis? I was under the impression you were far more interested in returning the gruesome favor paid to you by the Big Four.


In general, the Serpentis are bootlickers for the Angel Cartel. This makes them enemies of the Nation.

We are in Placid to combat the Serpentis here, as well as the militias.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#25 - 2012-11-30 03:31:41 UTC
Deterro wrote:

Hypocrite.


Please explain?
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#26 - 2012-11-30 10:25:45 UTC
Because it's Placid

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#27 - 2012-11-30 10:37:49 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves.


That's not how you treat POWs. Those are enemies of Evaulon and the Federation, thus should be tried and imprisoned here.

Too late now, at any rate. It seems their fates are sealed.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#28 - 2012-11-30 11:37:10 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves.


That's not how you treat POWs. Those are enemies of Evaulon and the Federation, thus should be tried and imprisoned here.

Too late now, at any rate. It seems their fates are sealed.


They are also enemies of the Foundations and of Nation, and as we are the ones who have them...
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#29 - 2012-11-30 12:32:11 UTC
Wait,
so these didn't ask you to come and rescue them in the first place?

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#30 - 2012-11-30 12:38:18 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Wait,
so these didn't ask you to come and rescue them in the first place?


No? We did happen to be in the area fighting the Serpentis, however, and once the battle was done and the shiniest of the loots were taken off the wrecks, and hence most of the motivation for capsuleers to stick around, we spent hours combing through all of the wrecks and rescuing survivors and reclaiming usable biomass.

As I said before, of those who were parts of crews fighting against the Serpentis, they will be returned if that is their wish. The Serpentis crews will not have that choice, and we will bring them into us for a number of reasons.

1) Intelligence on Serpentis movements within the area so that we can better combat them
2) Information relating the location of Akai Juugatsu.

Amongst others which would fall under the auspices of operational security. I will strive to get as much information out to the wider Placid and Capsuleer communities as is considered prudent by my leadership and the will of the foundations as I can.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-11-30 14:00:42 UTC
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Protect yourselves, because CONCORD will not protect you. CONCORD has failed.

I am sorry, but at the moment I have much more important things to do, than protecting myself.
Things, like... protecting the State from ones like you!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#32 - 2012-11-30 14:04:54 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Protect yourselves, because CONCORD will not protect you. CONCORD has failed.

I am sorry, but at the moment I have much more important things to do, than protecting myself.
Things, like... protecting the State from ones like you!



Hi, Diana

This doesn't make much sense you know? I mean, good on you for standing up for your state, I would expect no less, and it doesn't even necessarily go against what I'm saying. If the state abandoned CONCORD and dealt with it's own issues on its own, that would probably be a valid way of doing things and you might even be better off.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#33 - 2012-11-30 14:15:49 UTC
Any word on relief efforts made by the federation both officially as well as privately?

Or are we forced to continue witnessing TSF not actively exploiting the situation in any possible way for their own cause.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#34 - 2012-11-30 14:22:35 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Any word on relief efforts made by the federation both officially as well as privately?

Or are we forced to continue witnessing TSF not actively exploiting the situation in any possible way for their own cause.


No official word as of yet, although I'm sure the heartfelt platitudes have been coming out of the wood work.

As for official, you know, action, well.. you know how inefficient democracies are for this sort of thing.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#35 - 2012-11-30 14:34:37 UTC
Pandering to the public based on popular ressentiments won't work.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#36 - 2012-11-30 14:39:09 UTC
That's actually just my opinion, but okay.
Jev North
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-11-30 14:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jev North
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Milo Caman wrote:
I'd like to make it known that at no point were ANSH forces led to believe that bombardment of civilian targets was on the agenda. We were hired as auxiliary forces by SPC affiliates, and we did what we were paid to do. Nothing more.
Absolvement of moral responsibility through "I just did my job".


Milo's statement is to be interpreted as less of a disavowal of responsibility, and more of an expression of regret and explanation of the circumstances. As you can imagine, ANSH is aware Serpentis work has a degree of ruthlessness associated with it, but we honestly didn't know up ahead that the plan was to glass the place. All the worse for us, and I suppose SPC and their affiliates' external asset management is to be commended with their handling skills.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Was it a nasty surprise to learn that you can't work for the Serpentis Corporation and retain the moral high-ground?

ANSH mainly takes ISK, not the moral high ground.

Our rules of engagement and charter permit and in fact encourage free aggression in space, mercenary work, and pride in professionally applied violence. At the same time, inflicting excessive civilian deaths isn't our preferred MO. If previous attempts to bring this sort of nuance to our position have been interpreted as taking the moral high ground, well. Have your head checked.

Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Survivors of ships known to be affiliated with the Serpentis, or capsuleers known to be on their side, will not be returned. They will be processed immediately, treated for their injuries, and then brought to stain as Prisoners of War, and will be converted into True Slaves.

That's unfortunate. We'd rather have seen surviving Anshar crew returned to us, of course, or at least set free to follow their own desires.

Given our current physical proximity, I don't doubt this will be the only incident in which this could become an issue. I'd hate to have to issue cortex bombs to my crew, or waste time coming up with ways in which surviving TS-F crew could be used for our benefit in spite of safeguards. If TS-F is amenable to setting up some kind of prisoner exchange agreement, please contact myself or Milo privately.

Even though our love is cruel; even though our stars are crossed.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#38 - 2012-11-30 14:55:54 UTC
Jev North wrote:

That's unfortunate. We'd rather have seen surviving Anshar crew returned to us, of course, or at least set free to follow their own desires.

Given our current physical proximity, I don't doubt this will be the only incident in which this could become an issue. I'd hate to have to issue cortex bombs to my crew, or waste time coming up with ways in which surviving TS-F crew could be used for our benefit in spite of safeguards. If TS-F is amenable to setting up some kind of prisoner exchange agreement, please contact myself or Milo privately.


To be fair, since all of our crew's mindstates are backed up, you can do whatever you like with the husks of what's left, after you blow up our ships. You are, of course, free to start distributing cortex bombs to your crews if you like, as that is your between you and them, and I can't say we will mind the morale hit your crews will take as a result.

In the mean time I will contact Overseer Alpha and bring forward your concerns or see if we have anything we wish to bargain for with you. I'd suggest, at the moment, that you work from the assumption that any of your personnel that we capture will be harvested for information.

Just some friendly advice!
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#39 - 2012-11-30 17:11:55 UTC
I will probaly get some heat for this, but ehh who cares.

I Personally applaud Tiberious's actions in rescuing the survivors from the battle and treating them. As for the serpentis crews. I really don't care what Tiberious does with them.

They signed up willingily. They knew the risks, but they wanted the rewards. They are getting more from Tiberious then what i would have done to them. Hint airlock.

Not as innocent as she appears.™  

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#40 - 2012-11-30 17:17:21 UTC
Misha M'Liena wrote:
I will probaly get some heat for this, but ehh who cares.

I Personally applaud Tiberious's actions in rescuing the survivors from the battle and treating them. As for the serpentis crews. I really don't care what Tiberious does with them.

They signed up willingily. They knew the risks, but they wanted the rewards. They are getting more from Tiberious then what i would have done to them. Hint airlock.



Note, they are not my actions, specifically, but the actions of the Foundations. I wasn't sitting in that field alone, y'know.

Degen Sankriga, Ghost Hunter, Onslaughtor, and Drake Arson were there for the fight and were first on scene to be picking through the wrecks for survivors of both sides. Many have died because of their injuries since, but our facilities are hard at work to put the rest back together.
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