Warfare & Tactics

Pred just look at the mess you have made here.

Bad boy.

There is no question that minmatar are waiting until they no longer have to plex like the amarr had to plex for years. That is killing all the numerous rats.

Once the rat spawns are reduced to a single rat I anticipate we will see more plexing from the minmatar.

The mini have more numbers and are better org. than the amarr

we are trying though

peak was about 45 of you in system with average of about 25. 5 people in the area to defend. grats on taking a system with 0 resistance.

FW is fine.

and it will still be fine after the patch....I don't see the changes making much of a difference. maybe getting more brawling going on with the button moving closer to warp in but not convinced...hopeful though.


The pvp/pve aspect is getting really old with some people continually re-posting the same crap over and over again. Give it a rest guys.

If pvp is your thing they go out and shoot ppl....if you want to pve and industry and stuff ?? then you can go out and do that. To me it sounds as if more than the fair share of FW guys wear way to many tinfoil hats with all the accusations and smoke and mirros crap going on.....get out....have some fights......plex a little.....get navy ships to fly/sell and have fun!!

now to repeat the important part

HAVE FUN! stop taking it so bloody seriously!

To clarify, my comment wasn't so much to be commentary on who blobbed who, mostly that i've seen an increasing trend of less and less small gang and fleet fights. Specifically, the increasingly used tactic of "aggressive blueballing". With high-SP well organied groups like SP-DR leaving for Gallente, it ironically hurts the Amarr more than it does the Minmatar IMO, especially when you have a situation where the Amarr are being organized flying together while the Minmatar seem to be working less and less cohesively. My major complaint was i'm tired of hearing the continued propaganda about how the Amarr are terribly unorganized and never work together and don't get along. We fly together when needed and could fly together even more than we do currently, but then we would really never get any fights. More often than not, we don't fly together because we actually do want fights, so don't complain when we're not "blobbing" and you're getting fights. Likewise, when we don't have enough to pull together to fight one of your "blobs" don't try to create a myth about how we are afraid to undock when you guys are the same way.

I agree that many of us are "new" to FW so we don't have years of relationship pre-built, but that doesn't make our working relationships any less valuable or effective. I just stood down from a 70+ man Amarr fleet with noone to fight, despite the fact that between arzad/dal/bosboger/LNA/UK there were easily the number of pilots logged on to contest our gang, HOWEVER, i'm not going to make a snarky comment about how theyre scared to undock because its all part of the same tired rhetoric that people need to get over. Just because we don't have a single "lead" FC, doesn't mean we need one, especially considering that at least half of that 70 man fleet, including myself had never flown with the FC before, but we still joined and were ready to lose ships for him.

@Cearain - Yes I know the problem with a PVE based sov system and have for quite some time. Its why people who join the Amarr side for fights will log in if they hear there is a fight to be had, but don't get that excited when told they can plex a system for hrs with no fights and meager LP. New player retention for FW has always been something I have advocated greatly, but always gets silenced by kool-aid drinkers who insist that all the common complaints you hear from new players in FW aren't because of the mechanics, but because they're frustrated at facing a far superior opponent thus losing and losing isn't fun.

I would hardly call my post bringing up the past post, merely setting the record straight on a lot of the tired propaganda against the Amarr that I still see people go along with and continue to believe.

The reason I call you a badposter Cearain isn't because I disagree with the things you say, but its because you're one of the biggest Amarrian whiners in the history of ever. You whine about everything, even things that don't make sense to whine about or are completely and unfactually true. If you were more active, then things might be a different story, however, you complain and comment on things that you haven't been online for and your statements in themselves show how out of touch you are with whats happening. I've heard you complain about how the Amarr militia not being willing to work together after spending the entire week flying in inter-militia fleets. I've heard you comment on how small gang PVP in FW is dead and all you see the Amarr in now are several 20-30 man blobs and then several posts later complain about how the problem with the Amarr is they don't have the leader that can get a 30 man fleet like they used to. Despite the fact that you do make good points occasionally, you are singlehandedly one of the biggest reasons its been so easy for the Minmatar to marginalize and poke fun at things the Amarr say and do. There can be 5 reasonable forum posts and all someone needs to do to derail the thread so it can go into troll mode is wait for you to post.

I'll be honest. If I logged on and someone told me there was a 70-man Amarr fleet roaming around and we needed to form a fleet to go fight them, I would probably log off again.


You really know how to make someone feel appreciated. :P

I can't understand how, given the Amarrian resurgence, it only takes a few of us to cause the Amarr to dock up in Kamela. Ning, Zen and I spent a couple weeks camping the Amarr in Kamela and disrupting the gangs attempting to plex in Lamaa with no real opposition developing. The minmatar can freely camp Kamela gates with no opposition, which doesn't seem like the Amarr are coming back strongly - at least in the EU TZ.

About the only time we were driven off was when a fleet was formed for that purpose, not for PVP, but several cruisers and battlecruisers to push off 3 or 4 frigs and dessies. THis normally takes several hours to form, and then closes within 30 minutes when we won't leeroy frigs into them.

I have also not seen a 50-100 man Amarr fleet since Nephilim left. Interesting stuff.

Amarr are free to chest beat, but when a few frig pilots are able to close down your home system, then clearly things are not going that well for you.

I call bullshit on that, its takes allot to make us dock up and you will very rarely find our fleets in stations, we are usually whelping them into you guys

You took one system in a month. That doesn't change what I have said.

I still anticipate minmatar will start allot more plexing when its no longer like what amarr traditionally had to deal with (i.e., requires killing lots of rats.) We shall see.