EVE General Discussion

It works both ways though. How many free resources, in game and out of game, have been made by players to retain paying customers for CCP? More than I can count.

It's not just Eve. Check the forums of Starcraft, LoL, WoW, or other large, continually-updated, multiplayer games and you'll find a similar situation. When a game continually consumes money in order to be continually updated, the customers expect to get "their money's worth". This manifests either in constructive feedback, senseless ranting, or anything in between.

In other words, it makes no sense to complain at Nintendo to "buff Mario" in Super Smash or something, because you're not paying for continued development, and they're not committed to continually improving the game experience. Nintendo already has your money, whether you like the product or not, and that's how things are. In Eve (or other similar games), your continued investment depends on your happiness -- therefore giving the semi-illusion of holding "stock" and having a say. To some degree, that counts. To another, people take themselves far too seriously.

In closing, buff the Rifter or I am unsubbing my 29 accounts.

Gotta complain about something.

Once the money leaves your account it is no longer yours.

Many "simple" tasks in software development are actually extremely technically complex. Icons/UI have to go through the creative design process on top of the technical complexity of revamping what is a very old Eve interface (my guess is they just started most of it from scratch).

EVE players are often like little girls wishing for a pony.

Clueless about the price, clueless about the effort involved to get one, clueless about the cost for upkeep.
As a software developer I have learnt not to cringe anymore when another girly comes up with a cool proposal on the forum. Feel free, keep your "contributions" coming.

We have to decide every month if we want to part with more of our money. So yeah - this month's money is gone, trapped, spent by CCP. Next month - we can walk away.

Just to show a different light on the investiture point you make about subscription services: you can have newspapers and magazines on subscription, as well as books, CD's, DVD's Audiobooks etc.... those subscriptions are the binding agreement. Most give you NO say in what happens.


Every player should be grateful that CCP interact with the playerbase as much as they do, but some of the posts in General Discussion like to portray the "high-hand of player" managing the CCP Games employee's life when they aren't coding, it's pretty detached really.

Can anyone step forward and be able to produce a document where they specifically and categorically changed a criteria within a mass-subscription model via participation as a single subscription holder in anything other than EVE?

It rarely happens.

*Subscriber driven content* takes magazines and turns them into The Enquirer.
TV turns to reality music shows where the winner gets a contract, hardly any voters buy it, loads of people vote.


Or worse, reality TV shows where a load of people in a room / several rooms are watched under the premise of a psychological study, after which no results ever materialise in the public domain and the original viewers found that they were soo alike or disimilar to the contestants on that show they might as well watch again as it is free pub-ammo.

Personally I'd like to take this opportunity to thank all CCP Games staff and wish them a Happy New Year, successful expansion launch, successful Dust launch and good memories in their lives outside of work.... too early?

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EDIT: Closest I got was sending an e-mail to blizzard way back when showing them the MMO-glider website, read later that blizzard *spits* successfully sued mmo-glider for $3million. closest I got to that in EVE? e-mailing eve-miner and tinyminer to Security@ccpgames.com as they claimed to be botting websites.

because technically we are stakeholders. Like CSM, direct investors and others (even hardware sponsors like Nvidia etc would count).

voicing constructive opinions or concerns is important for stakeholders. Otherwise the only thing you can do is to stop being a stakeholder.... (in our case: stop playing).

I am very happy that the EVE Online community is so passionate about EVE Online and that the players gladly spend countless hours to work together with our developers to improve the game we all love so much.

Look at mass tests, forum feedback, ISD volunteers or CSM work - this is just fantastic and very awesome! Then we have all the other activity with players providing tools and other helpful things that benefit the EVE Community; EVEMon, EFT, killboards, lotteries, podcasts, blog banters - just to name a few ... without all this the EVE Online ecosphere would be less exciting and thrilling. On top of that you have the actual game where player interaction creates the universe and shapes it over the years into the current shape with immense amount of dedication, drama, epic stories and crazy madness.

I completely understand why the EVE Community is so passionate about EVE Online.

Amongst all this passion we also find sometimes unconstructive ranting, personal attacks and other forum rule violations but this is not the norm and the EVE Community in general shouldn't be judged by these posts.

Of course I encourage everyone to be polite, constructive and fair - this is possible even when you are very passionate about something.