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DNS Black for CSM8

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RAGE QU1T
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-11-29 20:05:18 UTC
Letter to CSM


Everything in this article is spot on with the current state of PvP in 0.0,, moon goo andd such. I think there is hope for bittered vets out there. Nerf the titan bridge, make EVE pvp back to what was , allow supers to dock so there supcepable to station lock outs and corp theivery. what say the 0.0 vets....and the CSM
Zoctrine
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-11-29 20:31:28 UTC
Not sure if you will get too many people posting, specially old 0.0 vets and CSM. Anything you may write about improving 0.0 is not very welcome, much less suggesting to make nullsec a harder place to be in...
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-11-29 20:33:10 UTC
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#4 - 2012-11-29 20:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Necran
Thought it was going to be about the removal of gates to promote easier access to PvP areas and hence more targets for PvP players. Turns out it's just some minor tweaks to 0.0, when it needs a complete overhaul.

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Sara Mars
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-29 20:40:17 UTC
Zoctrine wrote:
Not sure if you will get too many people posting, specially old 0.0 vets and CSM. Anything you may write about improving 0.0 is not very welcome, much less suggesting to make nullsec a harder place to be in...



Wat??? EVE is a game of strategy its not meant too be easy. If you want easy go play console games, there's not much required thought in those games anyways
Dervinus
Sunny Weather Mercenaries
The Initiative.
#6 - 2012-11-29 20:44:34 UTC
Lets be honest, the only person Eve needs for CSM8 is James 315

o7 toonies

iskflakes
#7 - 2012-11-29 20:49:50 UTC
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Letter to CSM


Everything in this article is spot on with the current state of PvP in 0.0,, moon goo andd such. I think there is hope for bittered vets out there. Nerf the titan bridge, make EVE pvp back to what was , allow supers to dock so there supcepable to station lock outs and corp theivery. what say the 0.0 vets....and the CSM


He makes a lot of good points. The jump bridge is a problem, but I don't think removing it is the solution. Instead, add a mass limit to cynos. If a titan bridge takes 10 guys, it's not an issue. If a cyno can only support 1-5 supers, then 90% of the problems with super blobs and force projection are gone too, without hurting the individual pilots logistics at all, or removing a defining feature from the titan.

He is completely correct about the moons feeding the blob though. That has to stop.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#8 - 2012-11-29 20:58:04 UTC
Well written, thoughtful and without keyboard rage pounding caps useage. I agree with almost all points.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Zoctrine
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-11-29 21:24:37 UTC
Sara Mars wrote:
Zoctrine wrote:
Not sure if you will get too many people posting, specially old 0.0 vets and CSM. Anything you may write about improving 0.0 is not very welcome, much less suggesting to make nullsec a harder place to be in...



Wat??? EVE is a game of strategy its not meant too be easy. If you want easy go play console games, there's not much required thought in those games anyways



You need to read this.
Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc.
The Fourth District
#10 - 2012-11-29 21:25:37 UTC
I think author of the letter correctly identified the problem but I think solution is more complex then simply removing titan bridge.

First problem is removing titan bridge will do nothing against capital and supercapital blob. Big alliances will simply start using fleet composed of hundreds of slowcat carriers and blaping dreadnoughts. With their Tech they can afford it.

I would deal with the problem by combination of multiple changes:

1) make titans bridges and jump bridges usable only by industrial ships, blockade runners, freighters and jump freighters. This way they are only logistic asset without use in tactical movement of combat fleets. (Bonus is we will likely see titan bridged fleets of battle badgers, good for many laughs.Big smile)

2) give mass limit on how much mass single cyno can transfer. I would say about 3.5 Mt is optimal. Then single cyno would be able to transfer a single titan or 2 carriers. Also make it that on same grid there can be simultaneously only one cyno active. This will make capital blobbing more expensive (need to plex more cyno alts) and more logistically and organisationally difficult (FC must disperse cyno alts in proper fashion, organise reassembly of dispersed forces in system full of opponents with bubbles and tackling interceptors and so on.) I think it would create interesting tactical situation and reward best organises and most disciplined pilots while making capital blobing a lot more harder and risky.

3) To make blobs of inexperienced and undisciplined pilots more infective I would remove many of the fleet tools like fleet warps, fleet broadcasts and so on. This way blob's ability to focus fire would be drastically reduced and made it largely dependant on discipline and competence of pilots that now hove to manually select targets themselves in accordance to verbal instructions from FC. Similarly forcing logi to relay only on watch-list instead of broadcast would drastically reduce their effectiveness in large blobs because they would have to track health or more ships, but in small gangs, where there is only few ships on watch list, they would remain just as effective.

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iskflakes
#11 - 2012-11-29 21:43:23 UTC
Sofia Wolf wrote:

3) To make blobs of inexperienced and undisciplined pilots more infective I would remove many of the fleet tools like fleet warps, fleet broadcasts and so on. This way blob's ability to focus fire would be drastically reduced and made it largely dependant on discipline and competence of pilots that now hove to manually select targets themselves in accordance to verbal instructions from FC. Similarly forcing logi to relay only on watch-list instead of broadcast would drastically reduce their effectiveness in large blobs because they would have to track health or more ships, but in small gangs, where there is only few ships on watch list, they would remain just as effective.


This is a good suggestion. Alternatively we could use a battleship sized blob killer. Maybe a ship with a smartbombing bonus? A smartbombing bonus for supers/titans would work too, but only if the cyno nerf is also implemented to prevent THEM becoming the new blob, rather than the blob counter that they should be.

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Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-11-29 23:00:03 UTC
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Letter to CSM


Everything in this article is spot on with the current state of PvP in 0.0,, moon goo andd such. I think there is hope for bittered vets out there. Nerf the titan bridge, make EVE pvp back to what was , allow supers to dock so there supcepable to station lock outs and corp theivery. what say the 0.0 vets....and the CSM



DNS Black writes a massive open letter to CSM on how Titan bridging is bad, while his alliance with himself in charge of it,used to be one of the foremost Black Ops Hot Drop operatives in EvE. DNS Black's Modus Operandi is to sit on a gate in his Arazu waiting for someone to agress so he can tackle and light a cyno. I don't see him complaining about Black Ops, granted that mode of transportation is limited to a very few ship classes, however it seems that he is just bitter he cannot upscale his own hot drops operations.

The other issue here is that of Time Dilation, if a sizable fight is happening in a system then the belligerents do not even need a Titan Bridge to stream reinforcements from all over EvE into the conflict zone. To be honest DNS Black did not provide any groundbreaking insights in his dull open letter, CCP has already acknowledged that Moon Goo needs a change and that they are moving towards it. As far as Titan Bridging is concerned, there are plenty of small gang pvp entities out there that are far more successful than Dirt Nap Squad, who go out and have fun in the current environment. Who get to have fun scouting, communicating and baiting others into fights and who don't spend a "week of pvp" sitting on a the black ops "pig" waiting for DNS Black to start raging over comms.
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#13 - 2012-11-29 23:03:50 UTC
So, in his article which is on evenews 24 (-1 for that off the bat), he has a section titled "isk pooling" then proceeds to define what he thinks isk pooling is. By his definition, isk pooling is trading for isk. I"m not too sure why he doens't just call it trading, but he doesn't. I won't lie I didn't read very much past this point.

Although, I did notice that he was referring to technetium as the largest "isk pool" in the game. Surely he could have done a little more research and realized that technetium's "isk pool" is 1/5th the size of the isk pool of tritanium, based of jita volumes, since it's the largest hub. Considering tritanium is traded in many other systems, some that aren't even hubs, technetium is even smaller than 1/5th of the volume of isk that trades hands compared to tritanium.

I think the author would have been better off using "Nerf Badgerhump coalition" as his title. Or better yet, "Give me technetium please, CCP"

Bump Truck
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-11-29 23:37:34 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
RAGE QU1T wrote:



DNS Black writes a massive open letter to CSM on how Titan bridging is bad, while his alliance with himself in charge of it,used to be one of the foremost Black Ops Hot Drop operatives in EvE. ...



That's the beauty of it. When someone asks for something they use a lot to be nerfed because it is bad for the game you know they are thinking about the broader game and not about personal gain.


Great letter, really enjoyed it, made me think about EVE in a new way. I love the idea of working towards making EVE more about fleet tactics. Maybe some kind of hot gates ship mod where you can shut down one direction of travel through a gate if you sit on it?

+1 for CSM along with James 315 and theMittani.


And of course NIcky yo ;)
Bump Truck
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-11-29 23:40:41 UTC
Silk daShocka wrote:
So, in his article which is on evenews 24 (-1 for that off the bat), he has a section titled "isk pooling" then proceeds to define what he thinks isk pooling is. By his definition, isk pooling is trading for isk. I"m not too sure why he doens't just call it trading, but he doesn't. I won't lie I didn't read very much past this point.

Although, I did notice that he was referring to technetium as the largest "isk pool" in the game. Surely he could have done a little more research and realized that technetium's "isk pool" is 1/5th the size of the isk pool of tritanium, based of jita volumes, since it's the largest hub. Considering tritanium is traded in many other systems, some that aren't even hubs, technetium is even smaller than 1/5th of the volume of isk that trades hands compared to tritanium.

I think the author would have been better off using "Nerf Badgerhump coalition" as his title. Or better yet, "Give me technetium please, CCP"




I'm afriad I'm not sure you've entirely got his point. I think what he means by "isk pooling" is a lot of money getting into the hands of a few people, hence his Rockerfeller reference.

Yes there is a much larger volume and value of trade in tritanium but it is traded by tens of thousands of players throughout the game so the ISK is spread out, rather than pooling in the wallets of a few.


Also why would you judge the quality of some writing based on where it is posted?
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-11-30 00:08:17 UTC
iskflakes wrote:
RAGE QU1T wrote:
Letter to CSM


Everything in this article is spot on with the current state of PvP in 0.0,, moon goo andd such. I think there is hope for bittered vets out there. Nerf the titan bridge, make EVE pvp back to what was , allow supers to dock so there supcepable to station lock outs and corp theivery. what say the 0.0 vets....and the CSM


He makes a lot of good points. The jump bridge is a problem, but I don't think removing it is the solution. Instead, add a mass limit to cynos. If a titan bridge takes 10 guys, it's not an issue. If a cyno can only support 1-5 supers, then 90% of the problems with super blobs and force projection are gone too, without hurting the individual pilots logistics at all, or removing a defining feature from the titan.

He is completely correct about the moons feeding the blob though. That has to stop.


How the hell is the jump bridge a problem? Would you like me to link some very fresh killmails sitting 300 off a jump bridge pos laughing as unsuspecting players warped right into my sabre bubble? Learn to not suck.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-11-30 00:13:25 UTC
Bump Truck wrote:
Silk daShocka wrote:
So, in his article which is on evenews 24 (-1 for that off the bat), he has a section titled "isk pooling" then proceeds to define what he thinks isk pooling is. By his definition, isk pooling is trading for isk. I"m not too sure why he doens't just call it trading, but he doesn't. I won't lie I didn't read very much past this point.

Although, I did notice that he was referring to technetium as the largest "isk pool" in the game. Surely he could have done a little more research and realized that technetium's "isk pool" is 1/5th the size of the isk pool of tritanium, based of jita volumes, since it's the largest hub. Considering tritanium is traded in many other systems, some that aren't even hubs, technetium is even smaller than 1/5th of the volume of isk that trades hands compared to tritanium.

I think the author would have been better off using "Nerf Badgerhump coalition" as his title. Or better yet, "Give me technetium please, CCP"




I'm afriad I'm not sure you've entirely got his point. I think what he means by "isk pooling" is a lot of money getting into the hands of a few people, hence his Rockerfeller reference.

Yes there is a much larger volume and value of trade in tritanium but it is traded by tens of thousands of players throughout the game so the ISK is spread out, rather than pooling in the wallets of a few.


Also why would you judge the quality of some writing based on where it is posted?


That Tech income is also split amongst tens of thousands of players. We just get that income in the form of free ships.

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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
#18 - 2012-11-30 00:23:18 UTC
Bump Truck wrote:
Silk daShocka wrote:
So, in his article which is on evenews 24 (-1 for that off the bat), he has a section titled "isk pooling" then proceeds to define what he thinks isk pooling is. By his definition, isk pooling is trading for isk. I"m not too sure why he doens't just call it trading, but he doesn't. I won't lie I didn't read very much past this point.

Although, I did notice that he was referring to technetium as the largest "isk pool" in the game. Surely he could have done a little more research and realized that technetium's "isk pool" is 1/5th the size of the isk pool of tritanium, based of jita volumes, since it's the largest hub. Considering tritanium is traded in many other systems, some that aren't even hubs, technetium is even smaller than 1/5th of the volume of isk that trades hands compared to tritanium.

I think the author would have been better off using "Nerf Badgerhump coalition" as his title. Or better yet, "Give me technetium please, CCP"




I'm afriad I'm not sure you've entirely got his point. I think what he means by "isk pooling" is a lot of money getting into the hands of a few people, hence his Rockerfeller reference.

Yes there is a much larger volume and value of trade in tritanium but it is traded by tens of thousands of players throughout the game so the ISK is spread out, rather than pooling in the wallets of a few.


Also why would you judge the quality of some writing based on where it is posted?


Alright, so if he really means that isk pooling is a lot of money getting into the hands of a few people, then why isn't he out to nerf somer blinks wallet?

Nerf rich people (isk poolers) is his goal?

Why would i judge teh quality of some writing based on where it is posted?

Probably because evenews24 generally posts low quality article/blogs. Quite often being riddled with bias.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2012-11-30 00:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gnaw LF
Bump Truck wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
RAGE QU1T wrote:



DNS Black writes a massive open letter to CSM on how Titan bridging is bad, while his alliance with himself in charge of it,used to be one of the foremost Black Ops Hot Drop operatives in EvE. ...



That's the beauty of it. When someone asks for something they use a lot to be nerfed because it is bad for the game you know they are thinking about the broader game and not about personal gain.


Great letter, really enjoyed it, made me think about EVE in a new way. I love the idea of working towards making EVE more about fleet tactics. Maybe some kind of hot gates ship mod where you can shut down one direction of travel through a gate if you sit on it?

+1 for CSM along with James 315 and theMittani.


And of course NIcky yo ;)



Put down the pipe, he is not asking for Black Ops to be nerfed, he is asking to Titan Bridging to be removed. Different things at stake here. He is asking for fights on gates but his own alliance is all about the Hot Drops.
Comingin Hot
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-11-30 01:05:42 UTC

we need a smaller Eve universe. Too many empty systems, which are not worth anything.

Force projection would not solve any of the problems, he wants to solve with it. It would just make the game worse for everybody, because everybody, no matter whether he wants to do PVP or PVE would need longer time to go to his destination system.

If force projection is only restricted on capitals - it would be the same. It is just a bad idea like it was, when we could not warp to 0km to a gate.
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