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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#41 - 2012-11-29 21:56:48 UTC
Well yeah, there is that. I'd take it for granted that if a female goes on comms, she could expect that kind of reaction, especially in bigger alliance fleets. You have a fair point, females shouldn't have to shy away from going on comms because of this kind of thing happening. I guess that is a form of discrimination.

Oh god.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#42 - 2012-11-29 21:58:33 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Here is an article that hit it on the head for me awhile back:

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/ministry-of-love-affair.html

"One of my last memories in LAWN was sitting in my alpha Maelstrom waiting for a fleet to begin when an actual human female had the temerity to say something to the FC on the Goon comms we were on. There was a three or four second delay, and then the comms from at least 60 or 70 Goon pilots opened and what poured fourth was a chorus of monkey-like howling, grunting, and moaning that went on for at least 20 seconds. I don't care if it was meant in jest or not, it was surreal... animalistic."


Kinda liked what Goons go about doing in EVE, until I read that. What else don't I know about these people? I would like to think that attitude isn't representative of the rest of the community, but is a great example of the overall problem.
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#43 - 2012-11-29 21:58:34 UTC
I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well. In each of us is some of the other sex. I think it takes the form of the subconscious Its probably the subconscious that determines real gender orientation and inclinations towards particular kind of actions.

Much is known about the male ego. We often like to follow a hero type pattern laid out in the Greek stories and is well documented and the worlds literature reflects this in action adventure stories and movies. Less is known about the woman's inner psyche. One of its main cores is the elements of mystery. I believe the Greek story about the Minotaur is one of a maze. When I read works by women authors, the elements of maze and mystery recur as a meta theme.

Emma Jung wrote a couple readable essays on Jung's Anima and Animus. For the male side she stuck to her husbands framework but for the woman's side She broke ground because she was herself a woman. She was at least readable.

Unfortunately someone bought the book out of the bookstore and I haven't been able to finish it. I think it was the Blue haired girl that looks like a crossgendered EVE character. :)
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#44 - 2012-11-29 22:00:07 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Well yeah, there is that. I'd take it for granted that if a female goes on comms, she could expect that kind of reaction, especially in bigger alliance fleets. You have a fair point, females shouldn't have to shy away from going on comms because of this kind of thing happening. I guess that is a form of discrimination.


Oh it most definitely is.

These guys just feel they have a 'right' to behave however they will, whether from lack of upbringing or something deeply psychological I don't think we will ever really know.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Xenuria
#45 - 2012-11-29 22:00:56 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Here is an article that hit it on the head for me awhile back:

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/ministry-of-love-affair.html

"One of my last memories in LAWN was sitting in my alpha Maelstrom waiting for a fleet to begin when an actual human female had the temerity to say something to the FC on the Goon comms we were on. There was a three or four second delay, and then the comms from at least 60 or 70 Goon pilots opened and what poured fourth was a chorus of monkey-like howling, grunting, and moaning that went on for at least 20 seconds. I don't care if it was meant in jest or not, it was surreal... animalistic."


Goons are like that...

CSM 12 Candidate
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#46 - 2012-11-29 22:01:01 UTC
Muestereate wrote:
I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well.


You blew it RIGHT there with that.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Demolishar
United Aggression
#47 - 2012-11-29 22:03:58 UTC
This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#48 - 2012-11-29 22:06:31 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.


Really? What's so unreasonable about requesting equality and empathy?
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
#49 - 2012-11-29 22:08:10 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.


Well, lets get Peter Noone here to share them with us.

"In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi
Demolishar
United Aggression
#50 - 2012-11-29 22:17:25 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.


Really? What's so unreasonable about requesting equality and empathy?


Aggressive denial of the possibility you might be wrong. In essence, THIS:

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Muestereate wrote:

I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well.



You blew it RIGHT there with that.


Muestereate actually made some valid points backed up with evidence and reasoning but all you do is cry and deny.
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#51 - 2012-11-29 22:20:40 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.


Really? What's so unreasonable about requesting equality and empathy?


Aggressive denial of the possibility you might be wrong. In essence, THIS:

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Muestereate wrote:

I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well.



You blew it RIGHT there with that.


Muestereate actually made some valid points backed up with evidence and reasoning but all you do is cry and deny.


I get the feeling that you're here to cause an argument based around beliefs that you really believe are true, when in the real world, they are not. There are a lot of people like this on the internet. We usually call them trolls.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#52 - 2012-11-29 22:24:12 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:

I get the feeling that you're here to cause an argument based around beliefs that you really believe are true, when in the real world, they are not. There are a lot of people like this on the internet. We usually call them trolls.


I understand the first part of your argument is known as "denial" and the second is "ad hominem".
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#53 - 2012-11-29 22:26:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Meryl SinGarda
Demolishar wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:

I get the feeling that you're here to cause an argument based around beliefs that you really believe are true, when in the real world, they are not. There are a lot of people like this on the internet. We usually call them trolls.


I understand the first part of your argument is known as "denial" and the second is "ad hominem".


See, you're trolling. If you could be so kind as to neatly list everything you believe is wrong, I would be more than happy to school you (as I once did on Transgender issues), unless the rest of the rational thinkers would be inclined to do so.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-11-29 22:26:54 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Muestereate actually made some valid points backed up with evidence and reasoning but all you do is cry and deny.


The article in question was actual tales of women who do or did work in the gaming industry and the harassment they received for it. They weren't women who "trended towards a different thing". They wanted to do this, and were treated terribly on account of their gender because of it. Taking a broad focus of what men may trend towards instead of women is missing the point entirely - that there ARE women who want to do these things that are seen as traditionally "men" things and get treated terribly when they do, regardless of how capable they are.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Demolishar
United Aggression
#55 - 2012-11-29 22:42:08 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:

I get the feeling that you're here to cause an argument based around beliefs that you really believe are true, when in the real world, they are not. There are a lot of people like this on the internet. We usually call them trolls.


I understand the first part of your argument is known as "denial" and the second is "ad hominem".


See, you're trolling. If you could be so kind as to neatly list everything you believe is wrong, I would be more than happy to school you (as I once did on Transgender issues), unless the rest of the rational thinkers would be inclined to do so.


You're assuming you're right from the start. I actually feel that there's more positive discrimination towards females in this game than negative.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#56 - 2012-11-29 22:42:40 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.


We wouldn't care about a Troll's Criteria for 'reasonable' anyway...........

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-11-29 22:45:28 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
You're assuming you're right from the start. I actually feel that there's more positive discrimination towards females in this game than negative.


Sometimes an emoticon says what words cannot. In this case:

ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Demolishar
United Aggression
#58 - 2012-11-29 22:45:46 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.


We wouldn't care about a Troll's Criteria for 'reasonable' anyway...........


Reasonable assumes lack of bias. I base my arguments on personal observation rather than opinions and feelings. You should try it rather than just resorting to insults and denial.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#59 - 2012-11-29 22:47:00 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I've found people tend to pay less attention to gender when you are consistently better at games than they are. If females want to be respected by males in video games, they should learn to become good at video games. I take any game I play very seriously and always strive to be among the best players and to be known for my skill and ability. It works for me.


Your mileage may vary.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#60 - 2012-11-29 22:47:23 UTC
Demolishar wrote:
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
This subject always causes butthurt and is not worth discussing as noone has reasonable opinions or arguments.


Really? What's so unreasonable about requesting equality and empathy?


Aggressive denial of the possibility you might be wrong. In essence, THIS:

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

Muestereate wrote:

I'm kinda of the position that men and women tend toward different activities. They are of course able to do both but maybe not as well.



You blew it RIGHT there with that.


Muestereate actually made some valid points backed up with evidence and reasoning but all you do is cry and deny.



So you still think that women can't do some things as well as a guy. The only thing I can think of is women (most) are not built for PowerLifting, but that's about it. And that is not necessary for survivial in society anyway.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882