EVE General Discussion

The footnote contained in the Mittani article (under the TL;DR), "We are going to ignore the oddity of the TGoE channel’s creation being proposed by someone who is not a member of the channel’s intended demographic audience," is a bit confusing.

Is the author saying that Xenuria, the channel owner, is not a member of the female demographic? Because I assure you, that would be wrong. Myself, Xenuria and a handful of others who aren't afraid to speak up and show themselves, identify as transgender females, which isn't any less valid than anything else. Even if a majority takes pride in invalidating such things on a daily basis. But such is the way of the misinformed and the bigots.

I make this reply, not in hostility but because I think a bit of awareness and understanding should be made of this issue as well. Cis-Females and Trans-Females really aren't all that different, unless you're one of those people who get all hung-up on someone's body parts.

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I was under the impression that the chemical balance in your brain defines that.

So, your point is that since EVE misses your qualifications for gender neutrality, the women should just go away and leave you alone in your locker room sandbox ?

Assigning gender to 'things' is pointless. Look at all the male clothing designers and make-up men in Hollywood, which you would assume are not gender neutral activities. they are PANgender.

Grow up.

What's that saying? "Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander"?

What the author (and anyone else for that matter making these kinds of cliche statements) really wants is for minorities to self-censor, shut up and be quiet.

If they want to stick around they must not whine or take umbrage at jokes about sex crimes and being called ******, because that would make them politically correct whiners. They mustn't talk too much about their personal lives because that "weird you out" and "hey dude, leave your private life private". If they go make their own groups they are being discriminatory.

Well tough, you're now on the ****-end of the stick regards discrimination, deal with it.

Yes, it's unfortunate that the article at themittani.com utterly lacked focus or a point, imho. It pretty much says to be quiet AND don't band together, all at the same time.

More pressure to smother coming from one side of the equation.

Here is my half-baked response over there:

"As a 47 y.o. gay male, I actually found this to be a poorly written article with no clear point.

My 2 cents is that until the white heterosexual male population finally decides to grow up and leave their illusion of self-entitlement to hostile and vulgar language and attitutes, these types of groups will be (and always have been historically) necessary.

It is their own fault that the situation even exists, and it is not the burden of these sub-groups to be the ones to adapt which is what I gather the article is trying to say.

The two corps I first joined before starting my own wound up being very accepting of me, and in fact the necessity of me coming out had only to do with the rampant misuse of the word "gay" in Local as applied to anything "bad". I absolutely had to say something. And when they found out about me it utterly stopped and embarrassment was all around.

We are all better than our language and attitudes....most of the time.

K I

I've found people tend to pay less attention to gender when you are consistently better at games than they are. If females want to be respected by males in video games, they should learn to become good at video games. I take any game I play very seriously and always strive to be among the best players and to be known for my skill and ability. It works for me.

So in order to destroy discrimination we should all just be less bad at EVE? Really?

edit: Snow Axe beat me to it

They shouldn't have to be. It's a male observational andleadership perception issue that seemingly demands it.

Here is an article that hit it on the head for me awhile back:

http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2012/04/ministry-of-love-affair.html

"One of my last memories in LAWN was sitting in my alpha Maelstrom waiting for a fleet to begin when an actual human female had the temerity to say something to the FC on the Goon comms we were on. There was a three or four second delay, and then the comms from at least 60 or 70 Goon pilots opened and what poured fourth was a chorus of monkey-like howling, grunting, and moaning that went on for at least 20 seconds. I don't care if it was meant in jest or not, it was surreal... animalistic."