EVE General Discussion

By "the null sec community" you must mean the extremely vocal small minority of players who are never happy with anything CCP does? In their minds they are the elite of EVE but in reality they are nothing but a nuisance who cry and shoot at statues whenever they do not get their way.

Retribution is bringing about some long needed changes, awesome new ships, long needed balancing and a lot of good bugfixes and iteration. There is nothing wrong with anything coming in Retribution and anybody that says otherwise needs to get a grip and either take what they are getting free of charge and be happy with it or find another game to play.

By the way...neither my opinion or anybody's opinion reflects that of all of null sec or the whole of EVE at all.

I live primarily in Null, and I look forward to the expansion, and figuring out new and exciting tactics to use within the new mechanics and with the new ships / rebalanced / repurposed ships. I joke all the time about Eve dying (of course it is...has been since they turned on the servers!) but i believe that these changes will revitalize and shake up the stagnant way null fighting has been done for too long, and maybe bring more players into the fold so they too can enjoy the fun. Also Highsec will be reinvigorated as the new crimewatch will bring more targets for the shooting, and station gaming will be changed! Think of the horror the neutral logi will feel as his aggression keeps him from docking and his little Scimi is WTFBBQD at 0m to the station while he futily spams the dock button. Ah the fun we will all have, the things we will all do, and the tears....THE TEARS that will be shed!

If I had played a game that had concensual pvp, and a healthy pvp base, I may be inclined to agree.

Sinse every game I've ever played that had concensual pvp tended to have very little PvP happening, I have to disagree.

And sinse I do not think that it's a mechanics problem, but a behavioral one, I do not think that CCP will have any more success with concensual PvP than any other developer has.

I understand that people are really fond of this little game called Darkage of Camelot, but it never did as well as EVE has. Every time I played it, I stopped for the same reason I couldn't do UO, the feeling of segregation.


I don't see this as "people who are already there to get shot at". That's implying that there are a lot of people flying around high sec that want to shoot each other, other than the guys that are currently doing it. And that entire function is based can flipping.

Can flippers didn't want you shooting them, they wanted to be able to shoot you. There's a HUGE difference here.
Yes, SOME people will use cans to toggle pvp. Most of it though, it's going to end up "organized"; just like I've seen in other games. Nothing wrong with that. I actually like the can flipping thing.

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That's not going to encourage "piracy", or being "the bad guy". That's there for people who are like, "hey, wanna PvP my vexor!, and to get rid of can flipping to trick people into gettting blown up. CCP can spin it how they like, but I do not have to buy the whole "we're doing to encourage MOAR pvp!". No sir.

Yeah, it'll create some pvp. It's hardly going to be the assualt on the deathstar though, people flying all over shooting each other, laughing and having a good time. More like a couple guys get bored and decide to goof around and shoot each other.


All my experiences in other MMO's has been pretty much the opposite of what people expect retribution to do.


And didn't the first version of crimewathc 2.0 exclude the person with the killright on them from shooting at the people who except the public killright. Didn't the players have to tell them that was the worst ******* idea ever for them to make it so that "the bad guy" was ALLOWED to shoot back? I do believe that's what happened.

I'm pretty sure Retribution is about curbing ganking, and making high sec about people willingly turning on a pvp flag if they want to pvp. That whole learning from history thing keeps smacking me in the back of the head, and it's like, "dude, what ******* MMO have you ever played that had a healthy pvp base in a primarilly concensual pvp enviroment?", and I"m like "none."

Imagine if they were thinking about some sort of an arena type system, and they mentioned it in the CSM minutes. Oh wait...

First, the new system doesn't stop / prevent non-consensual PvP. It exists everywhere, from highsec to nullsec. You can still suicide gank, and are encouraged to do so. You can still unwantedly wardec corps. I'll admit, the new safety system limits the number of people that ignorantly triggered the "you can legally shoot me now" crowd, but so what... You can still mission bait, you can still steal miner's jetcans, you can gank anyone that shoots you, and you can gank anyone else that goes Suspect.

To my recollection, the problem with the first draft of the new crimewatch system was invulnerable logi's. As far as I've seen, CCP has always upheld the, when "Player A shoots Player B, then Player B has permission to shoot back" mantra. And that's still being upheld.

Finally, while there is a large portion of EvE, including many of the self-proclaimed PvPers, that are "risk adverse" and won't engage unless they are confident they can win without any losses, there is a fairly healthy PvP community in this game. Frankly, the changes in Retribution do NOT hurt that community, and in general improve it. CCP still has a lot of work to do (especially in regards to nullsec), but I have faith they will get there sooner than later.

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If devs give up on 0.0 because its too hard then what's the point of me paying a sub.

I agree with you. You're right, some mechanics need to be dealt with. The can flipping thing was definately one of them.

I don't even have a problem if High sec was entirely concensual pvp, it has to be done right, and there needs to be real risk; things need to blow up in high sec.

My issue is more, don't advertise a game with "come be a pirate" LITERALLY, and then present me a game that does everything in it's power to impede that playstyle. I started EVE in 2005, for exactly that reason; today I can find an advert on a website still saying the exact same thing. I learned in 05 there really wasn't any way to be a "pirate" in EVE, just a ganker.

Seriously, MMORPG had an advert running last week that had "come be a pirate" splashed across the screen.
If the only tool they want to give players to "be the pirate" is ganking, then stop ******* ganking, or stop using "pirates" to entice people to play your game.


I've never tried, but I'm curious, what happens if I shoot an NPC hauler outside a station in high sec?

What happens if I web you so you can't warp away in high sec?

Maybe they should just change it so that as long as you're flying aroun din a paper thin ship, doing ignorable DPS, you can fly around and shoot other ships without CONCORD blowing you up. If they won't make NPC in high sec more like players then why not make players more like NPC's; then we can fly around and shoot a mining barge for hours without ever being a threat to it.

To be honest, the T1 Frigate and Cruiser overhaul has been a long. time. coming.

Yeah, Retribution doesn't have a 'Trophy Feature' like a winged, flying, lion thing but does contain some pretty interesting changes.

Last year the whole community raged at CCP for not doing exactly what they have been doing this year. So +1 to CCP for making FiS better.

Hopefully there will be winged, lions in 2013.

Curious, why?

Stargates are being added.