EVE General Discussion

Because people naturally seek trade hubs. Jita wasn't the first (I still have assets in Yulai), and it won't be the last, as players adapt. Guess how the high sec people would take it? I'll give ya three guesses and I bet you get them all wrong. Think Amarr and Minmatar space is fairly deserted now? People would do what it took to relocate to the highest density sector, and ignore the other 3.

I sell almost nothing in Jita, and still make quite a lot of iskies in Gallente space. People who want to haul mins from minmatar and amarr space to Jita can still make a serious profit now- they've had discounted minerals for quite some time, I know, I use them:D If Jita were so significant now, you'd see mins in the provinces within 5% of Jita price, but they're not.

The markets wouldn't develop under a split up scheme, they'd die. They'd be stocked based on the number of people living there who refuse to move, and what they do there- a few mission runners and a couple die hard anti-social miners.

Id vote for that as long as warp to zero was removed so people can still be killed at gates

If you look closely enough at how things work (or worked), you can still see "The Idea." The plot CCP worked out that was to have been the cycle that kept the game running.

The Idea is that null-sec is where you went to build an empire. You could grab some turf, barricade the doors, and hang tight while you gathered the abundant and valuable resources only on tap out in the wilds of null. It's no one's space except for he that claims it (or so was the idea) and holds it. Holding it, of course, was the trick. In order to do that you'll need people...and materiel.

So how would you get the ships and modules needed? Well, you'd build them. But things would be rather boring if you built them right there in your little home-base hidey hole. You could bottle the place up tight, harvest the resources, and pump out the goods needed to keep the barbarians outside the gates indefinitely. So CCP decided manufacturing out in Null was going to suck, bad. You could do it, of course, but the cost would be exceptionally steep compared to somewhere else. Somewhere like high-sec.

High-sec was to be the place where you went to do business. You hauled in your juicy resources and either sold them to buy goods on the fluid markets, or used them in the low-cost, high-speed manufacturing facilities to build what you needed. Then you'd load up your toys and truck them out to your null-sec stronghold. The Idea was that everyone would show up in high-sec, glare at each other while trading, then proceed back out to null and proceed to blow each other up defending resources.

As history has taught us, an army runs on its stomach (or in EVE's case, navies run on their diet of ships and modules). One of the surest ways to cripple your enemy is to kick his logistics chain out from under him. So a place was created between the trading citadels of high-sec and the null strongholds where positions are difficult to defend and it's more of an effort to pin someone down than in null; low-sec. If you wanted to hurt someone's ability to keep their empire supplied, The Idea was that you could intercept their outgoing resources or incoming supplies in low-sec and kick them in the shins.

Dividing the high-sec empires back in the day wouldn't have served this purpose. The people seeking to trade or build would approach the nearest high-sec "island," do their business, and then depart back to their null-sec homes. There'd be little reason to cross another low-sec danger zone just to save or make a few ISK; there would be far more on the line than would be worth risking in such a fashion.

It's been many years and CCP has pulled levers and turned knobs and it's a bit tougher now to see that early concept in how things work. Jump freighters, wardecs, etc. are all responses to player input and attempts to somehow keep true to that idea, but players have proven themselves clever and the game is a different thing than it once was. Splitting high-sec now would be a different ballgame, but I tend to agree with those people that predict a "four static islands" effect instead of the "bustling low-sec trade routes" outcome.

you say this as if its a bad thing...

Also goons need to burn jita again but this time for over a month.

But it all reality they should change. .5-.7 to a medium security spade where. Oncord respons is not instant and instead the empiers show up first to try to kill and tackle you (With sleeper ai and incursion damage), but will still be possible to kill them/get away and concord will show up if you are still engaged after a certain amount of time. But with each aggression within like a 6 hour period condord's response time is lowerd untill they just show up and wtfpwn you.

And have med sec as hi sec is now with the lvl 4s ice and riods but then change .8-1.0 to have no ice just, veld and scord, and at most a few lvl3 agents. But with far more and cheeper manufacuring.

Btw i currently live in a .5 doind lvl4s making about 100mil an hour. So this woukd dirctly effect me and add risk to my cash cow.

Also this was type on my phone so typos abound!

Because when the game was new 90 % of the ships we have now did not exist to include all capitals.

And the population, well lets just say the EVE was REALLY BIG back then.
You could jump around high-sec for several systems and not see another soul.

And concord did not exist and, and , and

Basically EVE was a different game when first came out.
I am still not sure what would be the advantage of breaking up high-sec with low-sec.
IT might raise the gank count but it won't raise PvP.

And if you really want to just cut to the chase.
THen surround jita with low-sec.

It would be nice if in a player driven sandbox, players would have some impact on the security of systems. Through voting, bribes, or combat.

Then we could see how things pan out.

Why not make border systems player controlled sec status.

When there is a lot of crime, sec status lowers until it becomes lowsec. ( or even 0.0 )
When crime gets controlled "player police" , it returns to highsec & concord returns.

Sort of real-life no-go zone for police, until the army rolls in tanks to restore order.

Now, that would make trading more intresting, and a lot of exploding ships. ( also good for market )

I think the 4 main empires should be separated by lowsec... it makes more sense in terms of lore and gameplay. I really have no idea why that's not the case right now.

Well, if for example you restrict building caldari ships to caldari space, gallente ships to gallente space (pirate ships only in low sec) ... people who cross train (and low sec/0.0 residents) will have to travel trough low to buy their ships...
People who want to fly pirate ships will have to travel to low to buy them (or transport them in empire space).

The same with faction ammo and guns.

Targets, targets, targets :)