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Why is there no first-person or cockpit view?

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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#81 - 2012-10-07 20:47:21 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
3. You may not care about the lore or "storyline" reasons... CCP (the company that owns EVE) does. It's their game and their fantasy.

4. Actual technical reasons for this are pretty simple: they consciously never included it because it didn't jive with their lore.


The lore is window dressing to explain away how come EvE does not follow the spaceship precedent set by star trek or star wars. Props to them for trying to fit spaceship mechanics into an online game format in a way that makes sense and is fun, but with the technical advances since the game's launch, the lore seems little more than a cop out in making huge changes to the game.
Hottspitta jR
Knights of Azrael
#82 - 2012-11-29 18:48:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Hottspitta jR
Baltara wrote:
In EvE you are not in a cockpit. You are in a pod full of goo.

EvE is more systems management than first person twitch shooter.


Your pod is a vessel, protecting you from dangers of space. (Escape pod.)

When your in a ship you are not in your pod as well. So wanting a first person view just for the thrills would be neat.

There is no need for first person input control, it would be all the same... You would only need to change it should you wish to create real time response input for joystick. Else you could still click as in normal because its just a view-port. You just wouldn't be able to spin around your ship and click in any direction at space.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-11-29 19:30:38 UTC
Hottspitta jR wrote:
Baltara wrote:
In EvE you are not in a cockpit. You are in a pod full of goo.

EvE is more systems management than first person twitch shooter.


Your pod is a vessel, protecting you from dangers of space. (Escape pod.)

When your in a ship you are not in your pod as well. So wanting a first person view just for the thrills would be neat.

There is no need for first person input control, it would be all the same... You would only need to change it should you wish to create real time response input for joystick. Else you could still click as in normal because its just a view-port. You just wouldn't be able to spin around your ship and click in any direction at space.


According to the Lore you are in your pod when you are in your ship.

According to the lore you are dead and are hooked up to the Pod by neural tubings. The pod is there to keep your body safe so your brain can control your ship. The pod as a whole is locked inside other ships and thus take control over it.

Your Pod is not a life boat you board just before your ship explodes.

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Oregin
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#84 - 2012-11-29 21:03:27 UTC
Let me get this right. You don't like the way EVE plays so you've come to the forum to argue with its players and tell them their explanations are not sufficient?
I can guarantee you that you are accomplishing nothing here.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#85 - 2012-11-29 21:08:03 UTC
Whoever necro'd this thread should be shot (in game).
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-11-29 21:48:09 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Whoever necro'd this thread should be shot (in game).


That would be: Hottspitta jR


Happy hunting.

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Apollo Cochrane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2012-11-30 00:09:58 UTC
To op: I feel your pain, but Eve is such a deep game that it takes a long time to experience everything. I recommend you give it a good try, like a few months, and join a corp - it's not a single player game - the fun comes from flying with other pilots.

However, if you really are set on playing something like the X series, Elite:Dangerous needs help getting off the ground so check it out on kickstarter.

AC.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-11-30 00:15:52 UTC
Apollo Cochrane wrote:
To op: I feel your pain, but Eve is such a deep game that it takes a long time to experience everything. I recommend you give it a good try, like a few months, and join a corp - it's not a single player game - the fun comes from flying with other pilots.

However, if you really are set on playing something like the X series, Elite:Dangerous needs help getting off the ground so check it out on kickstarter.

AC.



Don't worry.

Necro'd thread.

OP is long back in his Single player X-game (which still is a nice game, but comparing it to EVE like he did is comparing Apples and Bananas, both are fruits but totally different).

Hope he prospered in SWTOR as he liked KOTOR and expected that SWTOR was exactly the same (boy was he surprised when he installed that game, can only imagine that forum)

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Bobo Cindekela
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-11-30 02:03:29 UTC
you can make cockpit view with a camera and paste it up on you monitor if you want one

You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,  this is your final warning.

Hottspitta jR
Knights of Azrael
#90 - 2012-12-13 10:37:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Hottspitta jR
J'Poll wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Whoever necro'd this thread should be shot (in game).


That would be: Hottspitta jR


Happy hunting.



I found this thread through one of the front pages, I didn't search for it. Go ahead and kill me; make my day. Lolz
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-12-13 10:40:05 UTC
Hottspitta jR wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Whoever necro'd this thread should be shot (in game).


That would be: Hottspitta jR


Happy hunting.



I found this thread through one of the front pages, I didn't search for it. Go ahead and kill me; make my day. Lolz


Why do I doubt that....

You post on 29 November, the post before you was on 7 October.

Like a thread in GD will stay on the front page for over 1 month....

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Scaramanga Erquilenne
#92 - 2012-12-13 12:36:56 UTC
A cockpit view would look great in this game would love to see it .
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#93 - 2012-12-13 12:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
It never gets any easier being the litter control agent!

*Chambers a round while a tear falls down cheek*


Awww... poor baby. Sad

...and yea, no frist person view here out of lore reasons ...and because it was easier to do, back in the early 2000s.

EDIT: I'm all for an interal/bridge view when WIS comes around, though!

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androch
LitlCorp
#94 - 2012-12-15 18:35:21 UTC
if youre not interested then stop posting here and GTFO
AstraPardus
Earthside Mixlabs
#95 - 2012-12-15 18:46:57 UTC
Baltara wrote:
In EvE you are not in a cockpit. You are in a pod full of goo.

EvE is more systems management than first person twitch shooter.


I would like a first-person view of myself immersed in my pod of goo. <3
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Besina Echerie
Vermona Collective
#96 - 2012-12-15 19:50:47 UTC
Well actually it occurs to me that something like this cooould be done.. Imagine a somewhat spherelike transparent object, flat on the front then it curves around. Now project a 360 degree view of space onto the inside of that spherelike object, and put the camera view directly behind it so that the camera view is of the entire chamber. There's an imaginary ship in the middle, as a reference point, where your focal distance should be. That's your view of what the sensors are telling you when you aren't using the "camera drone". You aren't sitting around out of the pod, you're just getting an enhanced sensor view from a first person perspective, with the "first person" being the ship itself.

But it would be kind've a pain, and make UI setup annoying. So I don't see it being done.
Crimeo Khamsi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2012-12-15 20:22:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Crimeo Khamsi
androch wrote:
if youre not interested then stop posting here and GTFO

This is not a "try and trick CCP into thinking something is more popular than it is" forum.

It's a "features and ideas discussion" forum. Negative discussion is useful information for readers and devs, just like positive discussion.


I think that first person would be awesome, if eve were designed that way. but it's not, so in reality, first person would be extraordinarily frustrating and not fun: You wouldn't be able to control your ship properly at all, and you couldn't fire your own guns (since balance is based on tracking speed and character skills, etc.). So you'd just be sitting there with a limited view and complete impotence over control of your ship. Sounds bad. Sounds like nobody would ever actually use it except as a novelty. And this would require VASTLY too much coding resources for a novelty.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-12-15 20:27:39 UTC
Cockpit view...Good luck with manually flying and making a 180 degree turn as you can't double click in space behind you if you only see the front of your ship...

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#99 - 2012-12-15 22:03:16 UTC
I think the technical reasons why the 1st person cockpit view isn't viable ahve been discussed a fair bit but one thing the OP mentioned was the flying around stations/ships/celestial bodies and admiring the view.


That is one of the most appealing things about eve! just becasue it isn't from a 'cockpit' doesn't mean you can't do that. Turn on the advanced camera or the new tracking camera adn set you ship to orbit something. zoom in on it and bask in the glory of the eve graphics.

I too play the X series of game and eve far supasses them for graphic immersion IMO.

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