EVE General Discussion

In my opinion, we are heading toward an expansion that will disappoint a lot of people.

The goal of every update is quite good. Retribution is not an exception :

- A Better ambiance (warp sounds, ship sounds, ambiant music with variations...)
- A Better UI (Module tooltips, targeting UI)
- More pew pew ! (Ship explosions, turret sounds, hybrid ammo graphics...)
- More gameplay ! (Drone officier loot, new modules, ship rebalance, new destroyers, ore frigate...)

In my opinion, we are heading toward an expansion that will disappoint a lot of people.

The goal of every update is quite good. Retribution is not an exception :

- A Better ambiance (warp sounds, ship sounds, ambiant music with variations...)
- A Better UI (Module tooltips, targeting UI)
- More pew pew ! (Ship explosions, turret sounds, hybrid ammo graphics...)
- More gameplay ! (Drone officier loot, new modules, ship rebalance, new destroyers, ore frigate...)

I don't think anyone would complain. Even about heavy missile nerf, as it was clearly overpowered compared to their close range variation.

But it also gives the impression that part of dev's work is wasted on some features, while other features are simply unfinished or not going deep enough into the improvements :

- A Better ambiance (warp sounds, ship sounds, ambiant music with variations...) : Nothing to say about it.

- A Better UI (Module tooltips, targeting UI) : Targeting UI has been first very cool, and now is a simple copy/paste of an old UI element. Rather than finding a good compromise between style and lisibility, CCP decided to keep a targeting UI that should be "easier to read"... If it's very simple to read a half or full circle, this is NOT the case for a 270° one ! That's an utter fail ! Note that the 90° remaining are just wasted empty space... Also, some features were planned initially (HP on brackets for example), were released... and then deleted. Good job ! Of course the new targeting UI is better than the old one... (it would be hard to do worst, though) But is it a reason to approve something mediocre ?

- More pew pew ! (Ship explosions, turret sounds, hybrid ammo graphics...) : Exactly the same dissapointment here. Ship explosions were the opportunity to emphasize the "death is meaningful / it's true losses" of EvE ! It was the opportunity to turn a blue flash into something dramatic that would give enough time, for players around the dying ship, to take the full measure of the loss that they are seeing... Instead of that, we had some "new explosions" so short that the time you realize what's happening, you're already in your pod ! (Please watch this video if you don't know the look of our new ship explosions...) Another FAIL !
It's the same thing about hybrid turret graphics ! They had made a brand new visual for large railgun... and it was simply removed without any explanations or any reason. Good job... more development time wasted !

- More gameplay ! (Drone officier loot, new modules, ship rebalance, new destroyers, ore frigate...) : Last but not least, our new mining frigate ! The first ship with bonuses to gas mining... And you can't even move your gas into the ore bay !... Seriously ?

Same thing for the micro jump drive : 1300+ PG, 180sec cooldown, an obvious 10-second spool up animation... Who would waste a medslot for that ? Ok, some lolfits perhaps, or micro-cases... Sniping ? If I see the animation on the battleship and have already probes out, I will simply launch another scan while the animation is running, so that I can directly warp to the battleship right after he moved... +150% sig radius on a battleship, no probe can miss it...

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See ? It's not about "null sec" or not, it's about the difference between what have been announced, and what have been done.

(For example, take a look at the 2012 fanfest video were there was a preview of new ship explosions, it was much, much better...)

Since you seem to have missed my subtle point, people in 0.0 generalize about others frequently. Pubbies, carebears, hisec noobs, etc. Them in turn generalizing about people in 0.0 is a natural reaction.

Whats actualy wrong with making high sec a little bit safer for people who want that kind of gameplay, we already have nul and low sec for people who want PVP. Also you seem to have a problem with people wanting to blow up other people without geting blown up themselves, why then do you want high sec PVP so bad when 90% of time its shooting people who dont shoot back. Seems contradictory.

"1. CCP little by little making high sec pvp harder, and catering to the non PvPers by making high sec safer for them to grind ISK without interuption.

2. Changes to NPC's that would make grinding isk slightly tougher-god forbed people be required to pay attention-. (It would seem the same people that want reduced PvP don't want harder PvE. The simply don't want to be blown up in a game that DEPENDS on it)

3. A bounty system that doesn't seem to many like it's going to be any better then the current one.

4. People want to blow other people up, but don't want other people to be able to blow them up for it. (It would seem that some of the same people that don't want less PvP in high sec are apposed to other people policing high sec themselves. It's ok to suicide gank a ship that can't shoot back, but it's not ok for anyone but that guy, one of his miner alts, or one of the couple of people in his corp to shoot them.)"


Whats actualy wrong with making high sec a little bit safer for people who want that kind of gameplay, we already have nul and low sec for people who want PVP. Also you seem to have a problem with people wanting to blow up other people without geting blown up themselves, why then do you want high sec PVP so bad when 90% of time its shooting people who dont shoot back. Seems contradictory.

All the while you're doing exactly what I critisized "you guys" of doing. Seeeing things as black and white.

Here you are, simply because of the words under my name, generalizing ME.

People in 0.0 see anything that doesn't drop more isk in their laps as a waste of time.

The bounty system itself isn't really, eventually I see it turning into what we already have. Guys that never undock putting huge bounties on themselves to be the most wanted.

The crimewatch changes tend to get lumped into the whole bounty thing, even though they're not the same thing. I get it, and I should have been clearer. The crimewatch changes are just going to discourage less pvp because on top of being REQUIRED TO LOSE A SHIP to INSTIGATE pvp in high sec, players also can become FFA target.

The fact that you MUST lose a ship as a pirate in high sec already discourages the vast majority of people from being a pirate. Public kill rights is just one more discouragement on top of an already harsh penalty for pvp in high sec.


The bounty system will be a novelty for a bit. Some people will spend a lot of isk to put bounties on miners, but I don't see it lasting very long. It would take several hundred million to make an exhuamer profitable to destroy with a bounty. There isn't enough ISK to make it worthwhile to spend on miner bounties, for the sake of economic warfare.


Either lose CONCORD or start kicking people into a militia corp if they spend more then a few months in the NPC starter corps. No one should be using the NPC corps PvP immunity, which is what most people are using it for.

Well you won't have to lose a ship anymore to be a pirate in high-sec, you can just buy a kill right. IMO this encourages PVP.

Bounties will be fine imo. If someone places a bounty on a corp, it's likely that corp will be wardecced by another corp (or multiple corps) that are looking to collect the bounties. IMO this encourages PVP.

Seems like the changes will upset people that don't like getting shot at more than anything.