EVE General Discussion

Hey everyone!

I've been watching the forums lately and people seem to be divided into two large groups who constantly critisise each other for not playing the game the way their own group thinks the game should be played.

The main rant being that high sec is too rewarding and safe while low and null isn't rewarding enough and low sec being useless (apart from factional warefare).

To me the main reason this is happening is simply the enourmus amount of star systems out there, many of which are empty causeing a targetpoor environment with little real purpose.

My suggestion would be to make todays low-security space (maybe apart from FW space) function in the same way as todays 0.0(tho it pruduces killrights as before) with rewarding plexing/missioning and proper pvp while todays 0.0 would function as sov space. Then comes the real change, if we imagen the map as is today it is a highsec island surounded by a circle of low/null/sov space, in my opinion the surface area of the entire universe should be reduced making space more ''effectively'' used.


advantages:
- all space under 0,5 will have a use (solo exploration or fighting to control an npc pocket)
- creating a more target rich environment and more meaningfull pvp (something to fight for)
- with the changes in retribution high will(imo) be acceptable and support production and other important pve activities

possible dissadvantages:
- if the universe becomes too small this change might completely destroy any solo activity outside high
- ?
- ?

please add more disadvantages and discuss!
is the universe too big?

Does anyone ever sit quietly in a room and apply critical thinking to there idea before they post?

I cant see this working as intended, i think null needs more space and maybe a better distribution of good isk areas. Low sec needs more valuable sites to run and better mining prospects and high sec needs reduced mining possibilities and less mission income. There you go i fixed it.

I hear what you’re saying about people criticizing others on gameplay style, but I disagree with the island surrounded by low/null theory.

For me, even though I enjoy playing eve there is something lacking, sure you can mine and make stuff if you want, you can pirate, PVP, PVE etc and all those other things that you can turn your hand to, but for me there needs to be something more. More at stake, systems that can be taken over, a front line against other factions etc.

I posted up on here earlier another thread which outlines my idea of how I would like to see eve and that’s my personal view on how I would like to see it, although I understand that not everyone would like that way and would have their own way they would like things to work.

Maybe not an ideal answer, but maybe a little better than a straight “no”

Actually I think we could use more space; not necessarily systems though. I wish there was a way we could access points between systems. Especially if there were objects; black holes, stars, belts, planets, sites, etc. hiding out there.

After further thought reducing the size of 0.0 would mean less empty space, and more 'good fights' for PvP players.

Yay, another thread where I can rant about my views!

I second the cyno/bridge jumping suggestion.

Well, at the very least severely alter the way they function.

The largest alliances are holding way more space than they technically should simply because corporation/alliance size doesn't come with critical disadvantages. Such as supply chains.

Being able to jump around the way you can do today allows the largest groups to hold a lot more territory and this is an issue that increases exponentially with the size of the alliance. If the current biggest alliance was to grow in members by 50% then I can safely estimate that the amount of space that they'd be able to hold would increase by 100%. At least.

And most of these systems will be rather empty most of the time. Again, simply because you can stick around critical systems and choke-points and pretty much ignore everything "behind you". And if something was to happen? Call in the almighty cyno and deal with it in notime.

EVE's problem is that it offers no way to sneak behind enemy lines effectively enough. It offers no real disadvantages that are size related apart from minor administrative such. There is no way to effectively hit supplies, industry or other critical areas save from taking down PoS's. And this particular bit requires quite a number of players, effectively barring out small solo corps.

Well, the complete lack of anything that even remotely resembles PROPER guerilla warfare is one part of the reason for why null is a lackluster for many.

And like always it once again comes down to the same reasons: local intel, D-scan/ship detection, gates and finally cyno/bridging, to name the top 4.

very interesting points indeed.

There's actually plenty of critical thinking, it's just applied to everyone's opinion but our own.

Too big?

Thinks back to the days before WTZ and going to a region you dont have a full set of travel bookmarks for.

Size of the universe is fine if you ask. in all sec areas there are busy and quiet areas. Incentives and reasons to be in certain areas may be missing but thats not the same as size being an issue IMO.