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Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#81 - 2012-11-29 08:04:50 UTC
Indorian wrote:
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
Hi everyone.
this isn't a LNA vs the whole milita this is LNA standing up against a old large alliance (U'K) who like to tell others what to do.

Don't get involved minnies. it will blow over soon U'K just like to flex there little arms around and we just wanted to give them a punch in the face. We'll be working together soon.

Also we have been in the militia since the start pulling all the weight and doing everything we can for our whole militia.
U'K are the new guys here (in FW) and they just like to RP being the boss and they hate it that no one takes them seriously.


[ 2012.11.25 01:06:56 ] Bahamut420 > i'm not hear for TLF

The "Great Leader" has made clear he is not interested in diplomacy, or the best interests of the Republic. The traitors represents the very worst of our great republic. They were tasked to hold the line south of Auga but instead wish to allocate forces to "punch Ushra"khan in the face". What better way to help the Amarr then to leave the pocket undefended.

These traitors will NOT destroy the work the collective Militia have achieved. Ushra'khan has, in the interest of peace, asked our diplomats to make several attempts to resolve this war.

We will not escalate this war, even though the traitors attacked an undefended Ushra'khan funded safe pos.

Earlier tonight, Ushra'khan came to the aid of long standing allies who's POCO was under attack by the Amarr. We responded by bringing a 19man battlecruiser fleet to confront the Amarr and prevent them access to export taxes on precious planetary resources.

In return, our allies offered their assistance in defending the Militia safe pos. There were losses on both side, however the traitors were successful in destroying the defenseless Militia Safe Pos. As we escorted our allies back to their home system, ensuring on the way they opened fire on no friendly militia, the traitors continued to harass us.

These are the actions traitors and bullies, who have decided shooting blues is a viable strategy.

We can do better, U'k will not stand for traitors.

hey buddy u guys shiot us first we loved U'K alot but we wont be pushed around.

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-11-29 08:06:41 UTC
The longer this goes on, the more respect I lose for LNA. For goodness' sake, this war literally profits no-one. If you really want to be the bigger man, show you're more mature and everything, forgive Ushra'Khan for whatever slight they made against you, build a bridge and get the **** over it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2012-11-29 09:36:04 UTC
*cough* CCP Eterne, this one is still alive.
M0220H
Ice Fire Warriors
#84 - 2012-11-29 09:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: M0220H
Indorian wrote:


I will not allow your fact-less name-calling to degrade this conversation. You avoid the main point of my argument and have no way of providing any evidence LNA is not the aggressors. You sir, as honorable as it is to speak well of your Alliance, I shall remind you there is no shame in admitting error and making amends. We have made it clear we do not want this war, and will do what we must to protect our people and the Republic we serve.


Says the guy who resorted to fleet comm disruption. Coward.
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-11-29 09:54:21 UTC
Indorian wrote:


I will not allow your fact-less name-calling to degrade this conversation. You avoid the main point of my argument and have no way of providing any evidence LNA is not the aggressors. You sir, as honorable as it is to speak well of your Alliance, I shall remind you there is no shame in admitting error and making amends. We have made it clear we do not want this war, and will do what we must to protect our people and the Republic we serve.


No, I address the main point fo the argument in great detail. You are in self absorbed denial.

You do want this war. Otherwise your pilots would not have tried to AWOX us and during the war ceasefire talks would not have continued to kill our members.

Your words do not match your actions as an alliance.

Actions speak louder than words. Now, its on you to end the war.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#86 - 2012-11-29 09:56:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
The longer this goes on, the more respect I lose for LNA. For goodness' sake, this war literally profits no-one. If you really want to be the bigger man, show you're more mature and everything, forgive Ushra'Khan for whatever slight they made against you, build a bridge and get the **** over it.


Spare me. Ushra Khan has obviously succeeded in twisting your mind. If you are any reasonable, you know the fact is UK is creating null sec drama in the minmatar militia in an effort to divide it. All was sell until they came and started AWOXing us, stealing LP and accusing us of picking on them after we responded to such treacherous acts.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Scottish Play
Major Kong Freight
#87 - 2012-11-29 10:23:46 UTC
Fweddit and Ushra'Khan. Put your differences aside to fight an even greater enemy.

A Victor Rises
Braitai
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2012-11-29 11:03:40 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
The longer this goes on, the more respect I lose for LNA. For goodness' sake, this war literally profits no-one. If you really want to be the bigger man, show you're more mature and everything, forgive Ushra'Khan for whatever slight they made against you, build a bridge and get the **** over it.


None of this will end well as long as UK members continue to lie about events. Our only "fault" here is that we got sick of tolerating their incompetence and/or duplicity.

Recent events, where we have been accused of breaking a cease-fire agreement/truce comes right from the top however, which is far more concerning than the simple lack of discipline they have installed in their lower ranks.
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#89 - 2012-11-29 11:07:44 UTC
Scottish Play wrote:
Fweddit and Ushra'Khan. Put your differences aside to fight an even greater enemy.

A Victor Rises



Heh, I think perhaps someone from FWEDDIT has infiltrated Ushra Khan. Wouldnt be the first time they were infiltrated (*cough*Providence).

That aside, the poster is funny in more ways than one. The best is that it portrays their dreams. They were annihilated by us so bad that left the area and went to caldari space. Only a few stragglers remain.

It will be the same fate for UK, im afraid, if they keep up the mischievous and divisive behaviour they continue to promote in the Minmatar Militia.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#90 - 2012-11-29 11:11:23 UTC
*Sitting and eatting popcorn. Passes some to Andreus and the triad gent.* Oh don't mind me. Continue on with your delusions Amun.

Not as innocent as she appears.™  
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#91 - 2012-11-29 11:14:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
Misha M'Liena wrote:
*Sitting and eatting popcorn. Passes some to Andreus and the triad gent.* Oh don't mind me. Continue on with your delusions Amun.


Fact is a fact, mr Ushra Khan alt. look up the history of your alliance and find out why their alliance got disbanded

http://evenews24.com/2010/07/24/ushra´khan-disbanded/

Seems drama and controversey follows them wherever they go.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Misha M'Liena
Rui Freelance Mining
#92 - 2012-11-29 11:20:12 UTC
Sorry Amun. But i'm me. I'm not a Ushra alt. You won't believe me, but thats ok. I still think Shahfluff is a great pilot and i had the utmost respect for b420 in the past.

Not as innocent as she appears.™  
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-11-29 11:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
Misha M'Liena wrote:
Sorry Amun. But i'm me. I'm not a Ushra alt. You won't believe me, but thats ok. I still think Shahfluff is a great pilot and i had the utmost respect for b420 in the past.



Nothing to believe.

UK was blue to all of us at one time years ago. They became purple when they came to militia a few months ago. Drama follows them and wherever they go they leave with people hating them and trying to kill them. Something is obviously wrong with how they handle things and run the alliance.

In our case, it was AWOXing our pilots then acting out publicly when we responded and intentionally invading plexes seconds before the timer ran out whicht we worked to secure. The when we complain to their diplos they movie us the run around and turn it into our fault that they invaded our plex or shot our guys.

Everything they do is public and with the intent of setting up situations to slander us with.

Speaking to the OP though. UK needed to be cleared off of the field so the bunker could be taken before the amarr fleet arrived.

System secured.

Mission accomplished!

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-11-29 11:45:03 UTC
Amun Khonsu wrote:
UK needed to be cleared off of the field so the bunker could be taken before the amarr fleet arrived.


It's been repeatedly stated by other alliances who were in the system that day and demonstrated by video evidence that the bunker was already deep in armour by the time LNA arrived in the system. Heck, even my source in LNA says that you all knew this. Given that you clearly had capitals on standby to drop on top of Ushra'Khan, a far more productive use of both of your time would have been either to respect the ceasefire that Ushra'Khan had every reason to believe was in place and add your strength to theirs at the very least until the bunker was down, or engage the Amarr fleet yourself to give U'K time to finish the bunker.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-11-29 12:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Amun Khonsu wrote:
UK needed to be cleared off of the field so the bunker could be taken before the amarr fleet arrived.


It's been repeatedly stated by other alliances who were in the system that day and demonstrated by video evidence that the bunker was already deep in armour by the time LNA arrived in the system. Heck, even my source in LNA says that you all knew this. Given that you clearly had capitals on standby to drop on top of Ushra'Khan, a far more productive use of both of your time would have been either to respect the ceasefire that Ushra'Khan had every reason to believe was in place and add your strength to theirs at the very least until the bunker was down, or engage the Amarr fleet yourself to give U'K time to finish the bunker.


No it hasn't been stated by anyone other than UK (save some random UK members who have joined TRIAD and have sympathies mixed) It was roughly 1/4 deep (maybe slightly more, not much) into armor when we landed. The first thing I locked when I arrived was the bunker, not UK, specifically to double check it.

It wasn't deep into armor enough to be finished by the time the amarr landed. When we finished the bunker the apart were ready to jump us in the system. Without our dps it wouldn't have happened. The rubbish fleet fielded by UK stood no chance of taking the system by the time Almity's tier 3 fleet landed.

That is fact.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#96 - 2012-11-29 12:33:39 UTC
Amun Khonsu wrote:


That is fact.


As it stands you are making assertions. Whether anyone believes your assertion is backed up by fact depends on what proof you present.

I'll admit you make a compelling argument, if one is to believe it. Having no basis to judge the credibility of either party involved based on personal experience I am limited to evaluating the evidence. So far the only sensor logs I've seen presented support the position of your opponent, and directly contradict earlier false claims by your Alliance. Now you are presenting a more nuanced case, one that reinterprets those sensor logs from your perspective. That's fine, up to a point... but you take the argument further and make claims that haven't been verified by any evidence presented by LNA.

Can you show anything to verify the proximity of the Amarr fleet you reference?

Why, if you were so well aware of the Amarr movements, did you not move to interdict their fleet?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2012-11-29 12:35:19 UTC
Amun Khonsu wrote:
No it hasn't been stated by anyone other than UK (save some random UK members who have joined TRIAD and have sympathies mixed) It was roughly 1/4 deep (maybe slightly more, not much) into armor when we landed. The first thing I locked when I arrived was the bunker, not UK, specifically to double check it.

It wasn't deep into armor enough to be finished by the time the amarr landed. When we finished the bunker the apart were ready to jump us in the system. Without our dps it wouldn't have happened. The rubbish fleet fielded by UK stood no chance of taking the system by the time Almity's tier 3 fleet landed.

That is fact.


Out of ten seperate sources in the TLF, including the one in your own alliance, I can't find a single one who'll corroborate this "fact." The only part of your story that adds up is the fact that Ushra'Khan had only gotten about 1/4 of the way through the bunker's armour - which you could have helped with, rather than blowing them up, or disengaged to attack the Amarr fleet instead. According to literally everyone else (including a member of your alliance, remember) the Ushra'Khan fleet were making good progress through the bunker's HP.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#98 - 2012-11-29 12:42:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Amun Khonsu wrote:
No it hasn't been stated by anyone other than UK (save some random UK members who have joined TRIAD and have sympathies mixed) It was roughly 1/4 deep (maybe slightly more, not much) into armor when we landed. The first thing I locked when I arrived was the bunker, not UK, specifically to double check it.

It wasn't deep into armor enough to be finished by the time the amarr landed. When we finished the bunker the apart were ready to jump us in the system. Without our dps it wouldn't have happened. The rubbish fleet fielded by UK stood no chance of taking the system by the time Almity's tier 3 fleet landed.

That is fact.


Out of ten seperate sources in the TLF, including the one in your own alliance, I can't find a single one who'll corroborate this "fact." The only part of your story that adds up is the fact that Ushra'Khan had only gotten about 1/4 of the way through the bunker's armour - which you could have helped with, rather than blowing them up, or disengaged to attack the Amarr fleet instead. According to literally everyone else (including a member of your alliance, remember) the Ushra'Khan fleet were making good progress through the bunker's HP.


And you have spent a great deal of time and effort researching this so that LNA isn't slandered right? LoL right.

Fact is a fact.

One out of ten... Roflmao. Is this the Pepsi challenge?

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-11-29 12:48:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
Rinai Vero wrote:
Amun Khonsu wrote:


That is fact.


As it stands you are making assertions. Whether anyone believes your assertion is backed up by fact depends on what proof you present.

I'll admit you make a compelling argument, if one is to believe it. Having no basis to judge the credibility of either party involved based on personal experience I am limited to evaluating the evidence. So far the only sensor logs I've seen presented support the position of your opponent, and directly contradict earlier false claims by your Alliance. Now you are presenting a more nuanced case, one that reinterprets those sensor logs from your perspective. That's fine, up to a point... but you take the argument further and make claims that haven't been verified by any evidence presented by LNA.

Can you show anything to verify the proximity of the Amarr fleet you reference?

Why, if you were so well aware of the Amarr movements, did you not move to interdict their fleet?



I'm not making assertions. I give a detailed chronology of events leading to the wardec, reasons and the events in Floseswin on our website.

If Almity decides to speak for his fleets whereabouts, which I doubt since he is the Amarr FC, then you will have your proof, right from the horses mouth. I don't take snapshots of everything I do so I can convince you all of every thing that happens in my day, unlike UK it seems who videos everything they want you to see.

The fleet was one system away. I had neutral eyes on em all of the way and even informed UK myself prior to the decision to clear them out. The UK diplo in private convo with me, if he is truthful can confirm this. We nearly got our BS off field when they spiked the system. We were still in space warping to safe up in Uispur.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Aln Al-Thalab
Doomheim
#100 - 2012-11-29 14:26:42 UTC
For once, there Is truth to something that Amun spews. I acknowledge an Amarr fleet of 40+, mostly tier 3 BCs, 1-2 jumps out at the time of LNA's attack. I also acknowledge that LNA and TLF finished what TLF and U'K started in destroying the IHUB prior to leaving the field.

LNA brought a fleet, substantially increasing Minmatar firepower on the field. They then attacked U'K, reducing Minmatar firepower on the field. Though a net gain of firepower remained, LNA hamstrung the Minmatar ability to engage the Amarr fleet which would have easily fallen to a combined TLF. The inevitable destruction of the IHUB occurred, but a great opportunity for battle with the Amarr was lost.

As for your convoluted sense of time, either you are mistaken, terribly misinformed, or lying. We can provide logs and evidence, which we compiled in anticipation of your treachery. Until you likewise present proof (which you can't), I doubt your words carry much weight.

Why don't we end the war? Our defense is just, our cause honorable, our performance thusfar... well, we sure ain't losing at the time of this post. Besides, the war ain't mutual...