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CSM7 Dec Summit Topic - Live Events

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#1 - 2012-11-28 16:23:26 UTC
Seleene has promised to attend this session in costume!

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Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#2 - 2012-11-29 10:46:46 UTC
Two step wrote:
Seleene has promised to attend this session in costume!

As who Jacus Roden or Sansha Kuvakei Smile


More Live Events is always good

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Slutty Underwear
Ephesians trading and farming
#3 - 2012-11-29 11:15:02 UTC
I Will make this simple for feedback.

I Feel there is a need for more live events. When done right, It is great fun and you get to meet all sorts of funny folks in random hi sec gangs.

Things I would like to more of are the dev actors having the power or mandate to "Escalate" when a big 0.0 power blocks come to join in the fun. Live Events should be for all. Not just for us Hi-Sec carebears. But for some of us silly little bears, getting welpstompted by low-sec pirates and 0.0 power blocks can be a turn off and I have heard folks in fleets that I have join in live events say that they will not come again as they don't want to get blobed out of the fun. So I say that when the field is right. Let the Devs counter drop ;-) if the Big boys want to come and play with their big super toys. Let the Devs actors play too ;-)

This part is not so much about live events. But more about pushing Eve Story lines that go with the live events themselves. I Would love to see more role play story elements punished here at the Eve website and more in the ingame log in screen. Seems to be a bit a low point in the amount of story's over the last year or so (I know this was in part due to staff layoffs). Maybe come up with a "PleX for writers" scime. Then just pick a good story that somebody has sent in, Check it/Edit it for Eve History Cannon. And as long as the Dev team are happy. Publish it. This way CCP only really needs to have one or two staff members keeping tabbs on what is going on and leave the hard/time consuming part to the guys that have a flare and want to do it for the writing.

Anyway. That's my feedback.

Oh and we don't need any rewards for Live events. Let the Pew be the reward.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#4 - 2012-11-29 12:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Slutty Underwear wrote:

Things I would like to more of are the dev actors having the power or mandate to "Escalate" when a big 0.0 power blocks come to join in the fun. Live Events should be for all. Not just for us Hi-Sec carebears. But for some of us silly little bears, getting welpstompted by low-sec pirates and 0.0 power blocks can be a turn off and I have heard folks in fleets that I have join in live events say that they will not come again as they don't want to get blobed out of the fun. So I say that when the field is right. Let the Devs counter drop ;-) if the Big boys want to come and play with their big super toys. Let the Devs actors play too ;-)


Null power blocks as a whole dont care about Live Events they want "good fights" or whatever. Individual players from those entities or groups of few people come/may come and take part, there nothing wrong in that but mostly i see people that want to be there(that care). Also finding info isn't that hard(the posts deep somewhere on the forums don't matter) you may join an channel or mailing list that ARE there and when something is going on you will know.

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#5 - 2012-11-29 15:33:43 UTC
Slutty Underwear wrote:
I have the best ******* name in EVE since 'Electric Cucumber'.


Yes, you do. Lol

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Ephesians trading and farming
#6 - 2012-11-29 23:03:33 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:

Null power blocks as a whole dont care about Live Events they want "good fights" or whatever. Individual players from those entities or groups of few people come/may come and take part, there nothing wrong in that but mostly i see people that want to be there(that care). Also finding info isn't that hard(the posts deep somewhere on the forums don't matter) you may join an channel or mailing list that ARE there and when something is going on you will know.



Oh, I agree. mailing lists and channels so on are great (Twitter too). I am in a few them. What I mean was for more general info to be pushed to the fore front of the Eve client on Log in and things like that. Little things really.

As for the events themselves. Seems my wish is already been granted. Today from what I am reading (I missed it as I was out) was a blast.

What I was trying to say about 0.0 power blocks coming and blobing the field out. It's is not my aim to stop that. Far from it. Live events should be for everyone. Just that the Dev actors have the power to Escalate to match them. It's a balancing act really I guess. To much and it's a bust. Too little and the small hi sec players that have no way of competing on that sort of level are pushed out of the fun very fast.

Live events are great for new players, But they have no way to match (and righty so) a force from 0.0 (and losec corps). And that is what I am trying to address. It's not easy. It's a fine line to get the balance right.
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
#7 - 2012-11-30 03:03:45 UTC
Can we have live events that occur at times other than when USTZ players are at work? I realize that this may be constrained by the fact that the CCP devs running them are in Iceland, but it'd be cool to actually partake in a live event rather than read about them on reddit.
Akrasjel Lanate
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Immemorial Coalescence
#8 - 2012-11-30 10:05:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Akrasjel Lanate
Slutty Underwear wrote:
As for the events themselves. Seems my wish is already been granted. Today from what I am reading (I missed it as I was out) was a blast.


Yea, was there lost a ship didn't do a ****, we had Serpentis loyalists, Evoke, FA, Shadow Cartel, and some pirate corp. At some point local was at 210. To bad the null and pirate entities warent interested in fighting againts the serpentis nor banding with them the just killed random stuff and on the end just whored Serpentis cap killmails. Straight

Slutty Underwear wrote:

What I was trying to say about 0.0 power blocks coming and blobing the field out. It's is not my aim to stop that. Far from it. Live events should be for everyone. Just that the Dev actors have the power to Escalate to match them. It's a balancing act really I guess. To much and it's a bust. Too little and the small hi sec players that have no way of competing on that sort of level are pushed out of the fun very fast.

Live events are great for new players, But they have no way to match (and righty so) a force from 0.0 (and losec corps). And that is what I am trying to address. It's not easy. It's a fine line to get the balance right.


I see your point, some people will say like "join a big power block/alliance" or "create one your self". This new serie of events ocurs only in low sec it's not bad but it mostly drives people from low and null there, only few people i see from high sec go there. But doin the events in high maby be... not so good, i duno.

I not really sure they are good for new players, they first need to know abou them and the want to go to low sec.

Milton Middleson wrote:
Can we have live events that occur at times other than when USTZ players are at work? I realize that this may be constrained by the fact that the CCP devs running them are in Iceland, but it'd be cool to actually partake in a live event rather than read about them on reddit.

Few last events were done later but i don't know how did they fit in the USTZ.

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Slutty Underwear
Ephesians trading and farming
#9 - 2012-12-01 15:22:48 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:


I not really sure they are good for new players, they first need to know abou them and the want to go to low sec.




Last year there was some events in hi sec that was great fun. So it can be done. But running the events in Hi Sec, You limit the amount of random PvP. So again it is a balancing act. But then again, Should the Live Events be about PvP? Is it not the aim of a Live event to push a Eve Story (Role Play)? As I have said before. Eve Role Play story's are a great tool for pulling new players in to game play that they may not have engaged in before. I remember my 1st Live event. And I remember is was about 2 or 3 months after I started playing Eve. And I then got pulled right in to it. I loved it. But then the events started to die off. And went with it a game play I really enjoyed. So much so I was setting my alarm clocks for events lol.

So what I am trying to say is, Live Events are a great tool for new player retention. And that is always a good thing. But new players have no chance of matching low sec and 0.0 power blocks from crowding out the fun. By nature, the low sec and 0.0 power blocks are in Low Sec and Null Sec for the PvP (and I am sure there are other reasons also). So any new player(s) that venture there are just flavour for the source. Where as when events are held in Hi Sec. They get to play out the fun with out fear of getting ista-popped (Not including the Dev Actors popping them) by local PvP entity's. So a mix of events held in Low/Null needs to be balanced with more of them in Hi Sec than Low/Null.

Just reading back what I have posted and It reads like I am a hi sec care bear who wants to not go and PvP lol That is far from how I play the game ahahahahaha.
Elzon1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-12-02 09:19:40 UTC
To live events I say MORE of them and MORE obvious. Some of us just aren't social butterflies and we need more.... 'automated'... means of knowing about these events.

Also, when the hell are the incursions going to end or be brought to the next level? How much do we have to destroy before the next step?
Akrasjel Lanate
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Immemorial Coalescence
#11 - 2012-12-02 10:09:19 UTC
Elzon1 wrote:
To live events I say MORE of them and MORE obvious. Some of us just aren't social butterflies and we need more.... 'automated'... means of knowing about these events.

Why more 'automated' ? If you fallow them it shouldnt be hard to know what and where.


Elzon1 wrote:

Also, when the hell are the incursions going to end or be brought to the next level? How much do we have to destroy before the next step?


The Sansha Incursions are now something like missions(if you didn't noice, people do the to earn ISk but i could be wrong Roll), don't think they will change much any time soon

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#12 - 2012-12-02 14:45:22 UTC
Elzon1 wrote:
Also, when the hell are the incursions going to end or be brought to the next level? How much do we have to destroy before the next step?


I've asked Soundwave this directly and have yet to get an answer on it. My opinion is that the Sansha Zombie Invasion Expansion was funny for the first week, then just turned into another ISK / mission running machine.

As far as the actual ~storyline~? I guess it just never ends, has no point, is forgotten. I've seen little evidence that CCP cares tbh, seeing as how their content / writing team was gutted last year.

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Slutty Underwear
Ephesians trading and farming
#13 - 2012-12-02 17:36:21 UTC
Quote:
Expansion was funny for the first week, then just turned into another ISK / mission running machine.


That maybe very true. But the incursion game play also brought with it, fun an thriving community's (that also have not recovered from the nerfing of sites this year). They are also very good for basic PvP training. Focus fire and logi are all needed for PvP. But as for what could be the "Next Step"? Nor sure. Maybe switch up the rats from Sansha to other pirate corps like the Angel Cartel and Blood Raiders and so on (Storys lines and loot drops would need to be addressed for that to happen).

To say that incursions are just ISK printing missions is selling them short, and a lot of folks who had no interest in running them (IE: don't like PvE or just too ISK rich to care) never got to see that.

But we are getting off topic a bit I think. Or then again, maybe not
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-12-03 15:13:53 UTC
Live events have always been a bit of a diplomatic tapdance. On the one hand we want the opportunity to interact with the storyline but it becomes bordering on impossible for players to become pivot points in the storyline without accusations of favoritism.

As to location, make different stories for different portions of space.

Hisec a drone armada hits to mine a set of belts dry in a constellation. Suddenly those skilled at miner bumping become heroes as bumping thwarts the drones without triggering an overwhelming violent response.

Low sec. The pirate storyline can be advanced.

Null incursions 2.0 If ignored then sov or structures may be lost. Can be countered by dust mercs on the ground as well as space battles giving the null blocs a reason to pay attention to DUST514

This would shake up the status quo and yes, their would be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Just a suggestion that not all Live events need to be cut from the same bolt of cloth.

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Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-12-04 00:33:57 UTC
Is it possible to have semi live events,
Something that is completely computer controlled. But the results from a series of events are documented to produce an ending that advances the eve story line.

Ie A unique Pirate faction. Or other faction attempts certain incursion style events. The results of these events will move an ongoing story line in on of two massive endings. The frequency of this semi live events would be limited ant future location cryptically given out. Note loot would be sub standard as the reward is in the journey not the reward.
Loot would be rare bcc lice harvest drones, or one shot items like under powered land mines.

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Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#16 - 2012-12-04 15:57:14 UTC
Encourage CCP to invest in more of this, and document/video the results as the storyline evolves.

Also Arek'Jaalan needs to be resolved in lore one way or the other, including the project results.

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-12-10 17:34:31 UTC
CCP need to use more unique ships when they do events... They should use a JOVE fleet to wreck havock into NEW eden...
(Not that all joves are bad... but there are always other factions inside the directorate) players like to combat against the unknown,,..

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