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In need of a new freighter tier.
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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#161 - 2012-11-29 02:15:53 UTC
If its only 500 million why does it cost 1,5 billion?

o/
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#162 - 2012-11-29 02:40:28 UTC
supply/demand

the hulk costs 200mil but can be ganked by a couple of thrashers

i cant even remember if it was in this thread or another, but ive already said, the cost of the ship and the cost to gank are independent.

just because a ship is expensive, like a hulk, doesnt mean it should be hard to gank. and just because a ship is cheap, doesnt mean it should be easy to gank.

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#163 - 2012-11-29 02:51:25 UTC
You have to understand that CCP leaves players no choice when it comes to freighters atm. At least you can choose to use a procurer or skiff instead for mining

o/
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2012-11-29 02:59:22 UTC
Except, of course, we have jumpfreighters.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#165 - 2012-11-29 03:03:14 UTC
They are not an upgrade

o/
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#166 - 2012-11-29 03:03:24 UTC
and logi, and scouts, and webs, and ecm and the choice to haul less per trip or use more freighters at once.

u've come straight to the forums before even trying any of these

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2012-11-29 03:05:05 UTC
Souisa wrote:
They are not an upgrade

transports are apparently also not an upgrade from normal industrials. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#168 - 2012-11-29 03:06:05 UTC
You cant seriously be suggesting that people get alts, on top of paying 1.5 bil for a ship to haul more than 500 million worth of cargo through high-sec?

o/
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2012-11-29 03:08:41 UTC
Who said anything about the soft limit being as low as 500m?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#170 - 2012-11-29 03:10:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Souisa
Daichi Yamato wrote:
and logi, and scouts, and webs, and ecm and the choice to haul less per trip or use more freighters at once.

u've come straight to the forums before even trying any of these


Lets see.

First of all, logi is not really an option. It becomes hard to rep the alpha strikes of ganks. Scouts is not an option either, Uedama is basically locked down. You know what you are gonna get when you go through there. Im not sure webs was intended to make the haulers insta warp, i mean id like to see an official response from CCP saying that everything is fine since people can just web their freighter with an alt. Hauling less per trip.. sure, but why havent they made a customizable freighter then? I mean if we are suppose to haul less per trip, we should be able to do it faster instead

o/
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#171 - 2012-11-29 03:11:47 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Who said anything about the soft limit being as low as 500m?


Dont be dumb

o/
Beta Miner
COBRA Logistics
#172 - 2012-11-29 03:17:53 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Except, of course, we have jumpfreighters.

Souisa wrote:
They are not an upgrade

Lord Zim wrote:
transports are apparently also not an upgrade from normal industrials. vOv

That’s it! There is the crux of this issue.

Industrials nicely upgrade into transports. But there is a -huge- gap between transports and freighters. Many of the detractors of this argument say the intermediate step between freighters and transports is the Orca. Honestly, that’s not really true, or at least not efficient. The orca, as a hauler, has a huge amount of superfluous training the pilot has to do as well as extra capability the pilot has to pay for (corp hanger, leadership bonus’s) but doesn't need for hauling.

This argument is that we don’t want a deep space mining command ship when we need delivery truck.

AFK Cloaking? An afk cloaker has never ganked me. In fact a cloaker at his keybourd has never ganked me either.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-11-29 03:18:38 UTC
Souisa wrote:
It becomes hard to rep the alpha strikes of ganks.

Ganks aren't alpha strikes.

Souisa wrote:
Im not sure webs was intended to make the haulers insta warp, i mean id like to see an official response from CCP saying that everything is fine since people can just web their freighter with an alt.

It has been known and acknowledged by CCP for years.

Souisa wrote:
Hauling less per trip.. sure, but why havent they made a fittable freighter then?

Nothing's stopping you from not filling the freighter to the brim at every opportunity.

But I guess that would mean actually adapting.

Souisa wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Who said anything about the soft limit being as low as 500m?

Dont be dumb

So most ganks are done by 100-250m worth of ships?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#174 - 2012-11-29 03:20:46 UTC
What lord zim apparantly fail to realise is that you dont even have to fill the freighter to the brim before becomming a target for ganks

o/
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#175 - 2012-11-29 03:22:18 UTC
Souisa wrote:
What lord zim apparantly fail to realise is that you dont even have to fill the freighter to the brim before becomming a target for ganks

Tell us more about how a freighter with 500m in its cargohold is something which is profitable to gank with tier 3 BCs.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Souisa
Subhypersonics
#176 - 2012-11-29 03:23:44 UTC
Ask the guy who suggested it, else feel free to give us your estimate

o/
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#177 - 2012-11-29 03:23:56 UTC
cause fittable freighters would suck. we've been through this.

if u know exactly whats going to happen when u jump into system, why are u still going in? thats dumb

ur filling ur freighters with valuable cargo, valuable enough to make it profitable to gank, and then going into systems that u know are a hot spots for ganking with no scouts or escorts...u have no right to judge anyones intelligence

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Souisa
Subhypersonics
#178 - 2012-11-29 03:25:56 UTC
Which route do you suggest instead? From Jita to Hek pls

o/
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#179 - 2012-11-29 03:30:37 UTC
ive never loaded my freighter with enough to worry about uedema, so i have no idea...why dnt u set uedema to ur avoid list and see what comes up?

it may take longer, but at least u wont lose it all

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2012-11-29 03:32:31 UTC
Souisa wrote:
Ask the guy who suggested it, else feel free to give us your estimate

7-8 tier 3 BCs * 2 is the bare minimum to statistically break even, you'd want 3-4x to make money.

How you can possibly go from that to "hurr 500m in the cargohold means you will reliably get shot for profit", I've no idea.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat