Ships & Modules

This topic again.

simple

Shield allows for more speed and damage mods.

Armour allows for more ewar/tackle.

Shields have pretty specific resists and generally easier to 'beat' by selecting the right damage types. Armour general have higher average resists so can be 'tanked' more.

FFS each have their uses and issues. Shield is super FOTM with ASB's but these are being modified.

TBH most of the arguments for either shield or armour only really apply to some specific ship hulls and even then it is very situational.

Might as well argue the brawling v kiting crap again.

FOTM fits and doctrines appear generally because people find a new/differnt way to fly and the general population don't know how to counter it.

On occasion it is an issue with a specifi module/ship/rig and these get changed for better balance.

Adapt of die!

you realize that shield is super FOTM for a reason right?

I understand the difference between armor and shield, what im saying is that theyre the wrong differences.

Quite literally the faster ships just have to set "keep at range" and press F1


Please show me an armor blaster ship that can kill a vagabond or a cynabal or even a well flown hurricane . . . yes we would rip them in two if we could reach them but we just cant get there

should ships not go faster and faster until they reach the 99.9999999999999999% of the speed of ligth? i think thats the question here!

and the software guys reply, 64 bits*
we need me some more bits y.y!!
(and also some other server limitations)

fact is speed should not be the true difference...

Plates add speed pen because you're adding hundreds upon hundreds of mm of heavy ass armor to your ship which increases mass. Trimark rigs? Same thing. As for rep amount and resistance rigs, I have no ******* idea.

most of the armor tank ship have mids left for tackle, yes they are slower but once you are in the 13km area its their game (getting there might be a problem tough). armor ship have average better EHP tanks than shield due to better resist on armor (10% racial) and 1600 plates gives double the HP of a LSE, im not saying the 2 things are balanced but armor tank its not so bad i would really like to see the speed penalty changed with something else at least on active armor tanking rigs.

ps armor was quite a bit more popular back in the days when scarmblers didnt shut down MWD because now you can almost have a web an a disruptor in the same slot, ASB was thelast thing that made armor tanks not popular.

Most heavy fleets in large null sec engagement BS and above are Armor fleets . yeah it is broken

If you really need an explanation, here's how the phlebotenum works:

In-system jump drives, i.e. the warp that allows you to zip from planet to planet in less than a moment, works by changing how your ship interacts with gravity. When you activate it, it "tilts" your inertial reference frame, causing you to zip through space several times faster than the speed of light without actually, from the point of view of classical physics, accelerating at all.

The downside of this is that, when no power is being applied, the jump drive device naturally works to coverride the normal effect of gravity in favor of a zero potential gradient, essentially "anchoring" you to the local gravitational field and, by extension, the inertial reference frame of the nearest/largest gravitational bodies. This means that, unless you're applying an external force (from a reactive-mass engine like an AB or the smaller, more flexible MWD) then the in-system warp will slow your ship to a "stop" relative to the nearest planet or, if you're far enough out, to the rotation of the accretion disc in general.

Since every ship has the same technology for in-system warp installed (it was a federation invention before the civil war that was sold to Amarr and from there stole by the Minmatar), from the perspective of an individual pilot you will slow and stop in the same reference frame as other ships in space, and if you're "going fast" relative to that reference frame the drive is going to increasingly cancel out your ability to accelerate further by exerting a restoring force.

Since the restoring force of an offline drive is by necessity proportional to a ship's mass, increasing that mass is going to increase the scaling of the restoring force necessary for the drive to work in the first place, and thus decrease how fast you can effectively go with a given set of secondary propulsion.

Ta-fricking-da.

No-brainy ship/tank picking depending on engagement scale is not balance.

I love this alternate universe physics explanation, did you pull that from EVE lore or make it up yourself?

It makes sense that mass matters with this kind of drag while cross-sectional area doesn't. Because if the opposite were true, all the ships would have to be designed to be streamlined. Sort of like being aerodynamic. Except there's no air. So I don't know what the correct term would be in that case.

Anyway, the drag isn't created by an actual fluid, but by the ether, so drag scales with mass I guess. Or whatever.