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Floseswin falls to Minmatar Militia

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JOhnDrees
Deep Axion
Honorable Third Party
#41 - 2012-11-28 22:42:19 UTC
I'm supprized this isn't already linked somewhere here.
But here is a video explaining everything that has taken place:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTmqH5JKd4M&feature=plcp
JOhnDrees
Deep Axion
Honorable Third Party
#42 - 2012-11-28 22:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: JOhnDrees
Also, if you pay close attention to the state of the ihub in the video you can see the LNA fail propaganda machine at work. The ihub was on it's way out, and although there was in fact an enemy militia fleet forming to come stop us from flipping the system if LNA were actually concerned about the amarr stopping us before we were finished they would have shot the ihub instead of friendly militia targets. U'K has asked repeatedly for the nonsensical war to end but the prideful leadership of LNA will not allow for it. This is why we took the time to illustrate it so clearly with this video. Thanks for you time guys.
Aln Al-Thalab
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-11-28 22:57:55 UTC
I had originally posted the video in the below thread. That there was no rebuttal speaks volumes.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=176532&find=unread
Derek Wiildstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-11-28 23:03:33 UTC
Andiedeath wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
We plexed floseswin vunerable, it would have fallen according to plan. Regardless of whatever bullshit you spout. TRIAD has been key in capturing Floseswin and saving isbra. That you don't know this is sign enough that you don't give a **** about the militia or its strategic goals.


Well actually 3-4 Corps/Alliances have been key to taking Flose. These cover the 3-4 major timezones. TRIAD for the EU TZ, UK for the US Timezone and Swift in the AU timezone. Although I'd suggest that people from some of the other alliances/corps have assisted over the last week as well and we thank them for it. All have been instramental in taking the system as if one of those timezones werent held the other timezones would have not been successful.

EDIT: Either way great job Minmatar Militia for the concerted efforts.



It was a great job. The amarr was holed up like a tick and it took an combined and sustained allied effort to take it back.
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-11-28 23:48:41 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
Amun Khonsu wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
really cool story especially the part about the phantom amarr fleet when you flipped the bunker. when in reality it was just you guys killing fellow minmatar militia 'just cuz bro'


You mean the phantom fleet that camped ardar. Almity (amarr fc) had a fleet there ready to wipe you out. He can vouch for this as your leadership who was informed of the existence of the fleet. Unless you are saying you are too incompetent to notice a fleet that size about to jump you. Or you are saying your leadership withheld the intel intentionally.


huh? you really ASSUME alot dont you. the part about the amarr militia fleet going purple on purple with us. im sure that likely. the part about us supposedly being informed of another amarr militia fleet. the part about our leadership witholding intel lol.


No, I don't assume anything. I saw the fleet myself. Lots of tier 3 BC. I had eyes on them since egglende.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-11-28 23:49:21 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
If the point of this bulletin is to convince other TLF forces and the general public that LNA are fighting the good fight, LNA is not doing a good job of it. If you're going to make a habit of throwing war declarations at Militia Allies it would be a good idea to have diplomats better trained at spinning your side of the argument. As an allied Capsuleer with no previous involvement with UK or LNA my initial assessment upon reading the original announcement was that LNA had taken a blatantly agressive course of action in order to precipitate a confrontation with UK, and were attempting to put the mask of patriotism over it. Maybe the facts *are* different, but LNA's presentation is beyond self serving.

If you were worried about Amarr interference, why not focus your efforts on the interdiction of their fleet? You could have taken your fight to the enemy and covered for the TLF forces attacking the iHub.

As for the claim that the iHub was in 3/4 shields, sensor data posted by UK from the engagement clearly shows the iHub in Armor and dropping when the LNA fleet jumped in. By my estimation they would have easily taken down the iHub, despite your claim that the TLF fleet had too little DPS.


The point is to keep the record straight since UK is spinning lies.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-11-28 23:51:16 UTC
Amun Khonsu wrote:
The point is to keep the record straight since UK is spinning lies.


But they've already shown substantiative video evidence that proves they aren't.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-11-28 23:52:18 UTC
Sebastien Starstrider wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:
If the point of this bulletin is to convince other TLF forces and the general public that LNA are fighting the good fight, LNA is not doing a good job of it. If you're going to make a habit of throwing war declarations at Militia Allies it would be a good idea to have diplomats better trained at spinning your side of the argument. As an allied Capsuleer with no previous involvement with UK or LNA my initial assessment upon reading the original announcement was that LNA had taken a blatantly agressive course of action in order to precipitate a confrontation with UK, and were attempting to put the mask of patriotism over it. Maybe the facts *are* different, but LNA's presentation is beyond self serving.

If you were worried about Amarr interference, why not focus your efforts on the interdiction of their fleet? You could have taken your fight to the enemy and covered for the TLF forces attacking the iHub.

As for the claim that the iHub was in 3/4 shields, sensor data posted by UK from the engagement clearly shows the iHub in Armor and dropping when the LNA fleet jumped in. By my estimation they would have easily taken down the iHub, despite your claim that the TLF fleet had too little DPS.


<3 I'm glad that a little homework has led you to a reasonable and sensible point of view. LNA has either made this argument very poorly, or they have no intention of being taken seriously and went at it for the fun and the 'troll' of it. I'm kind of leaning toward the latter, to be honest.


Again, keeping the record straight. Your argument is nonsensical.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-11-28 23:56:20 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I, such as I am, stand behind my old allies from Ushra'Khan. They've always been good to me, and dealt fairly and honestly with me and my friends even when they had no obligation to do so. LNA should focus more on fighting the Amarr - they're the real enemy here, guys.


We have, and got shot over and over by Ushra Khan. Maybe you should have a serious chat with them on how to treat their fellow militia. The wardec wouldn't exist if it weren't for their aggressive behaviour.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#50 - 2012-11-28 23:57:25 UTC
Andiedeath wrote:
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
We plexed floseswin vunerable, it would have fallen according to plan. Regardless of whatever bullshit you spout. TRIAD has been key in capturing Floseswin and saving isbra. That you don't know this is sign enough that you don't give a **** about the militia or its strategic goals.


Well actually 3-4 Corps/Alliances have been key to taking Flose. These cover the 3-4 major timezones. TRIAD for the EU TZ, UK for the US Timezone and Swift in the AU timezone. Although I'd suggest that people from some of the other alliances/corps have assisted over the last week as well and we thank them for it. All have been instramental in taking the system as if one of those timezones werent held the other timezones would have not been successful.

EDIT: Either way great job Minmatar Militia for the concerted efforts.


This.

During the defence of Floseswin I never once saw an LNA member actually shoot at something that could shoot back (apart from their own militia).
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-11-29 00:00:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Amun Khonsu wrote:
The point is to keep the record straight since UK is spinning lies.


But they've already shown substantiative video evidence that proves they aren't.


They show only what they want you to see that they can use to support their deceit.

They don't show you that while they said they wanted a truce they were at the same time killing one of our cynabals and two sfi's.

Iron Oxide leadership can vouch for that since they were trying to mediate at the time.

The night before, under a supposed truce again, two UK thrashers and an sfi red boxed me in uisper.

I find it funny that they'd video anything regarding this. Clearly they have set it up so they can lie.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Kenshin Shogunate.
#52 - 2012-11-29 00:02:46 UTC
Gritz1 wrote:
Join you guys in the war? LNA, and before its incarnation has always, and will always live directly on the front line of the war. We have lived in the amarr's former home system, effectively exterminating them from the system. How about you join us in the war...


I agree with this statement. LNA have been instrumental in holding the front lines. I LOL'd so hard when I saw you guys had moved into a major Amarr system 12 months ago. Great to see and lots of great fights have been had in that area of the warzone.

This being said the alliances/corps in the backline have been instrumental in supporting the war also. The invasion of Nulli Secunda and the holding of the lines to deny them tier5 was one I will remember fondly.

People on both sides need to remember that there are friends on both sides of the warzone and in all 3 major timezones doing their bit day in day out. Just because you dont see people doesnt mean they arent there. ;)

Flosewin has fallen! Aset is in our sights and will be another grand tail. I just pray that this LNA/UK mess can be sorted and we can ALL barsk in the glory of freeing the Minmatar from the slavers. As the combined forces of LNA/Iron Oxide/UK/SWIFT/TRIAD and the rest of Militia could quite easily squash ANY Amarrian resistance.

"For the Minmatar"

Director

Sefem Velox

INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public
Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Kenshin Shogunate.
#53 - 2012-11-29 00:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Andiedeath
Amun Khonsu wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Amun Khonsu wrote:
The point is to keep the record straight since UK is spinning lies.


But they've already shown substantiative video evidence that proves they aren't.


They show only what they want you to see that they can use to support their deceit.

They don't show you that while they said they wanted a truce they were at the same time killing one of our cynabals and two sfi's.

Iron Oxide leadership can vouch for that since they were trying to mediate at the time.

The night before, under a supposed truce again, two UK thrashers and an sfi red boxed me in uisper.

I find it funny that they'd video anything regarding this. Clearly they have set it up so they can lie.



I wasnt aware of what transpired the day before although I know Iron Oxide leadership werent on grid when the debarckle with the inital LNA Cynabal loss happened. I was, I can confirm that UK werent the initial agressors and even held off a little to see if the LNA cynabal would deagress before committing to downing the cynabal. Although the reasons for the 'Balls first, blood lust' action of the LNA cynabal I do not know. That pilot may have had good reason or may not.

The unfortunate truth about war is that once it starts only peace or victory can write the 'true' tail.

Now that the dust has settled we should ALL drop this so that we can ALL get on with the job of sending all of Amarr Militia back to Kamela (or high sec).

"For the Minmatar"

Director

Sefem Velox

INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#54 - 2012-11-29 00:34:18 UTC
Andiedeath wrote:

Flosewin has fallen! Aset is in our sights and will be another grand tail. I just pray that this LNA/UK mess can be sorted and we can ALL barsk in the glory of freeing the Minmatar from the slavers. As the combined forces of LNA/Iron Oxide/UK/SWIFT/TRIAD and the rest of Militia could quite easily squash ANY Amarrian resistance.

"For the Minmatar"


Good thing I'm not amarrian then.

The battle for flos was not won on the bunker, it was the numerical supremacy while offensively plexing the system over time that won you the day. Metropolis has always been hard for the amarrian militia to strike and then subsequently hold simply because re-enforcing general plexing activities can never happen. I am not one to worry about the strategy of war mind you, i am just tasked with blowing up my own kind, a heavy task, a task i accept I probably won't be forgiven for but it is neccasary never the less.

That said, I can still see an inevitable victory and it certainly doesn't warrent chest beating on the scale of the commenst I've linked.

As for LNA and UK, it sounds like the same thing that happens in all the militias. Ultimately agenda's clash, **** happens and you'll all get over it.
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-11-29 00:38:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
Andiedeath, Since the start of this discussion one thing is certain. you clearly sympathize with the terrorists and propagate their deceit. They aggressors first. I have that on multiple credible eye witnesses.

Not to mention my own experience the night prior.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-11-29 00:49:57 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:



As for LNA and UK, it sounds like the same thing that happens in all the militias. Ultimately agenda's clash, **** happens and you'll all get over it.




Yep. As soon as they stop trying to instapop or guys with sniper maelstroms, etc. one thing they did to instigate this war days prior to our wardec response. As soon as they act honourably instead of trying to lul us into a truce while at the same time killing our members. As soon as we kill enough of them to make up for their treachery.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Braitai
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-11-29 01:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Braitai
Rinai Vero wrote:
If the point of this bulletin is to convince other TLF forces and the general public that LNA are fighting the good fight, LNA is not doing a good job of it. If you're going to make a habit of throwing war declarations at Militia Allies it would be a good idea to have diplomats better trained at spinning your side of the argument. As an allied Capsuleer with no previous involvement with UK or LNA my initial assessment upon reading the original announcement was that LNA had taken a blatantly agressive course of action in order to precipitate a confrontation with UK, and were attempting to put the mask of patriotism over it. Maybe the facts *are* different, but LNA's presentation is beyond self serving.


Up until recently UK leadership has not been the issue. The problem is their younger corps aren't as disciplined as the old guard. Individual members of Rifterlings (though TBH I'm unsure of the relationship between UK and DK) and Order of the Black Dagger have been awoxing, stealing LP and loot on and off for months.

Quote:
If you were worried about Amarr interference, why not focus your efforts on the interdiction of their fleet? You could have taken your fight to the enemy and covered for the TLF forces attacking the iHub.


Ridiculous. We would have been outnumbered 4 to 1. We're not suicidal, we took appropriate action to take the system.

Quote:
As for the claim that the iHub was in 3/4 shields, sensor data posted by UK from the engagement clearly shows the iHub in Armor and dropping when the LNA fleet jumped in. By my estimation they would have easily taken down the iHub, despite your claim that the TLF fleet had too little DPS.


Have you any idea just how close that Amarrian BC gang was when the IHub fell? We warped out straight away, they jumped in not soon after. The DPS we removed from the field was in no way comparable to what LNA brought. It's possible the bunker would have fallen without our assistance, but I find it extremely unlikely.
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-11-29 02:05:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Amun Khonsu
One has to wonder at why UK feels it necessary only to video things that they can use to slander other people while NOT posting video of the times they have shot us while asking for a truce. Nor posting simultanious video and chat logs of their rant in militia after they provoke a response complaining that they are being picked on.

We dont feel the need to go to such great lengths to prove that other people are wrong and we are right. We only give our side of the story. One has to wonder the state of mind UK is in that they feel the constant need to do this with every group that they have issues with.

In their minds, they are never wrong, other people are at fault. This is what they did after shooting Galdornae in his Vigilant. LNA was jumping into Kamela to kill Amarr and UK opened fire on him UNPROVOKED. We warned the guy to stop and he gave us lip in local. After we responded and killed the Maelstrom pilot, UK diplos came on comms and raged as to why we killed him. After we explained the situation we were told that we should not have fired back. WTH is wrong with this logic? They can kill us but we cant defend ourselves and when we do, they cry to militia and say they are being picked on.

EVE is real, I was there.

UK has their noses stuck so far up their *** 's that they dont see the fault in this logic.

So, we smash.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Kenshin Shogunate.
#59 - 2012-11-29 02:09:41 UTC
Amun Khonsu wrote:
Andiedeath, Since the start of this discussion one thing is certain. you clearly sympathize with the terrorists and propagate their deceit. They aggressors first. I have that on multiple credible eye witnesses.

Not to mention my own experience the night prior.


LOL and this trolling behaviour is what causes LNA to loose support in the militia. I would suggest to take a step back and look at the big picture as I have over the last 24 hours. I am well aware that both sides have contributed to this meaningless internal war.

Director

Sefem Velox

INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public
Andiedeath
We Aim To MisBehave
Kenshin Shogunate.
#60 - 2012-11-29 02:26:26 UTC
Braitai wrote:


Have you any idea just how close that Amarrian BC gang was when the IHub fell? We warped out straight away, they jumped in not soon after. The DPS we removed from the field was in no way comparable to what LNA brought. It's possible the bunker would have fallen without our assistance, but I find it extremely unlikely.


No one disputes the first part. Although the ihub would have flipped in the same amount of time anyway. Just remember there was 2-3 minutes were only the non LNA/UK pilots were shooting at the ihub as you were both too busy focused on your own battle. Just think about it for 2 seconds, if all 3-4 fleets had of worked together we would have been able to knock over the ihub much quicker and then take on the invading amarr fleet.

We all know the Amarr were just hoping for some easy kills in the aftermath of LNA/UK battles. Which I believe they got.

Director

Sefem Velox

INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public