Warfare & Tactics

just disappointed that you personally, your entire corp, your entire alliance, and most of your militia are terrified of pvp.

The first Ive heard about alleged sexual intimidation or harrasement. What is noticeable is that most of you dont seem to realize that the majority of people in UK have not come from nullsec but are either new or factionwarfare corps that joined UK but were already in fw. Most people from the UK of a year ago are still in nullsec. So the alliance is still getting organized.

I'm already planning to in my own fan fiction, the story I have just written is actually focussed on the Amarr.

It was resolved after U'K leadership twisted the guy's arm into apologizing. A lot of the problems are because of the fact you mentioned: U'K is full of new players or players new to FW that don't fully understand how the system or the dynamic of the militia works. Alternatively, these are players who haven't been vetted or are in the process of being vetted that are causing drama and provoking fellow militia members. At this point, it's kind of a he-said she-said since LNA (love them or hate them) are very vocal about being slighted and are very retaliatory when provoked. As I said, I don't believe either side has handled the relation between LNA - U'K/Rifterlings very well and it has devolved to a very base grudge where one side is just trying to continue to demonize the other. It's a testament to Baha's desire to "get-along" that only now has LNA declared war. This **** has been going on since U'K joined the militia and much of LNA desired to wardec U'K for a long time now.

Threads like this are an absolute joke and save for a few reasonable posters whose comments always get glossed over and ignored, I see the typical smattering of misinformation, badposting, and propaganda from all the usual players, whether they are regulars or different names filling the same tired role.

I could say that the Amarr leadership is more organized from what i've seen then the Minmatar is, and by all accounts I could find enough evidence to support that comment, but i'm not going to because it would just keep following the same trend of badposting that I see when Minmatar say the same thing about Amarr leadership.

The myth of cohesion - The reality of the situation is that both militias have been on a similar level of cooperation and cohesiveness for several months now, the only difference is that the Minmatar have solidly held the warzone so regardless of what is actually happening behind the scenes its easy for public opinion to be swayed into thinking that any decisions made are the right ones, even delusional notions filled with hubris and the continued belief that a militia's ability or will to fight has more than token impact on the warzone as a whole. The truth behind the mechanics is that fights are irrelevant and having people willing to PVE across all timezones is main mechanic behind warzone control is this. The fact that an intermilitia conflict such as LNA wardeccing UK, still has a net positive impact for all of the involved parties, is the most recent proof of this. The Minmatar militia still gets a system plexed up to vulnerable by UK, some of the most active plexers within the militia. LNA has more targets to gank since they actively gave up trying to fight actual engagements and with LNA and UK fighting each other, there are fewer fights for Amarr US TZ to look forward to so they have less reason to log in. I'm still waiting to hear Susan Black spin this into some ridiculous story about how this was some brilliant upper-level Minmatar leadership plan.

In Amarr US TZ, you see a very disorganized Minmatar militia with lots of docked pilots and lots of disorganized gangs or people docked up refusing to fight our organized gangs, large groups of Minmatar that if they actually united could give some pretty good fights, ironically the exact same thing that EU TZ Minmatar criticizes about EU TZ Amarr. Yet, because the Minmatar are winning, this can all be justified as a winning strategy under the guise of denying the Amarr fights or reasons to fleet up together. The point i'm making here is that when your side is winning anything can be said or done under the pretense of brilliant strategy and metagaming. You could self-destruct entire fleets and as long as your side is still winning the warzone at the end of the day call it superior strategy.

The truth about the SFI blob - I see people twist complaints about fighting SFI blobs into commentary about how the Amarr seem to be unable to counter it or how the lack of enthusiasm on the Amarr side to fight SFI blobs translates into the SFI being symbolic of the unwavering terror of the Minmatar militia. Reality check inbound. An all SFI fleet is easy to counter and has been countered for months, ironically a lot of this is because lacking SFIs of our own, many in the Amarr have been forced to actually construct fleet concepts requiring thought (which is why I enjoy fighting D'K and U'K since their lack of SFIs force them to be innovative. UK's recent BB heavy fleets and Jessie Arr's baitbird were fantastic, as were Sicarius' RR Canes that hazed a cruiser fleet) and if someone doesn't get excited about fighting SFIs, its because after losing several fleets to all SFI fleets and winning even more fights against all SFI fleets, the excitement level becomes somewhere between fighting a Drake fleet in nullsec and a Fweddit Thrasher gang. A corpmate of mine put it best when, after taking a month off of EVE logged in and took a few fleets out killing a few LNA SFI fleets before saying, "I remember why fighting LNA and FW was so boring." and going back on break. Though, once again i'm sure being boring and unoriginal PVPers is all part of some master plan right? o\

Ignoring the propaganda and misinformed - A lot of the complaining I see comes from people who are inactive and known badposters like Cearain. The other complaining I see comes from people who aren't in the leadership channels and are understandably frustrated at the situation, but don't have the full picture, so instead they assume nothing is being done behind the scenes just because everything wasn't posted publically. The Amarr don't have a single leader calling all of the shots or central figurehead, nor is every group super-best friends, but that isn't indicative of a lack of willingness to cooperate. The reason that many within the Minmatar don't see this cohesion at work is because whenever we form up and actually work together to potentially get some great fights, the Minmatar all stand down and magically disappear, yet despite not getting fights, the Amarr still form 50-100 man gangs when they are called for because supporting each other is important, so don't act like they don't exist just because you refuse to fight them.

The Amarr are entirely capable of forming up to fight Annah Kitheran chestbeating fleets, but there is little reason to organize people and tell them to log on to fight a fleet that you know will stand down and refuse to fight the second you do. Stop acting like the reason you don't see large Amarr fleets is because they don't work together, when you know very well the main reason you don't see them is because you won't fight them.

Yep Pinky got the point.
The minnies run always when they do not outnumber us minimum 2:1. In reality they are mostly craven. They completely fear to loose ships.
Remember when a guy (yeah he is great and crazy) from amarr militia jumped into a plex in his shiny gila with about 15 (!!!!!!) Minmatar frigs and destroyers and.... they ran away.
15 frigs and dessies vs 1 shiny gila. And why? Because every one of the minnies feared that the gila could kill 3or 4 ships before it gets down.
The difference between amarr and minmatar militia is only that amarr sometimes even fight even when they know they won´t win (simply for fun and lolz) and minmatar always run away when they aren´t 100% sure they will win.
And of course the biggest difference is: Numbers. They have tons of pilots. We don´t have.
What is also unnerving: Sometimes minnies engage or try to get engaged in 1:1 numbers.
That is always suspicious. Why? Because if this really happens that means there are even more minnies waitting to blob in the next system or minimum 2 or 3 loki boosters around^^
They would never take a fight voluntarily when they aren´t 100% sure to win.

No. I exxaggerated. To make it really clear. But being shot from an ac sfi at 50km and scrambled at 32km is somehow....unnerving?

People like to win and dont like to lose, it really is that simple sometimes. As much as people may want it to be different unless you have an RvB style 'equal sides' arrangement its never going to stop being an issue and I cant see that happening any time soon.

Its something we're as guilty of as anyone else who flies in the areas involved but its something you just have to deal with.

Heh, nice one Pinky. That shut them up right fast.

It's been 18 hours, seems like a while to me.