Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I agree the ferox is a great brawler a shield option that can tank well instead of brutix armour reps or naga/talos both weak tanks and the talos gets used more as a heavy vaga anyway.

this way the ferox actually has a role making it a sniper will do the opposite there is still the eagle to use as a rail sniper anyway it needs some love focus it on that altough an extra mid would be wrong .. drake tank... a low might be better to nano it.
Although i would prefer all HACS to have a vaga style focus on them osprey navy issue will soon have its role overtaken by the caracal.
Since HICS are the T2 combat cruisers.

Brawling may not be Caldari’s preferred fighting style, but even they should concede that there is a need for a shield tanked brawler for breaking gate camps and such. Also, the Basilisk is best suited to support a shield brawler fleet, as it is not fast enough to run with nano fleets.

As far as slot layout, I would prefer an extra Mid to fit a Web as well as Prop, Point, and tank. Yes the layout would be the same as the Drake, but Hybrid turrets, even more than any other turret types due to extreme range restrictions, create a contrast between the play styles of guns versus missiles. The layout may be the same but flying a Ferox would feel completely different than flying a Drake.

Nah a ferox with the dmg bonus will get another 200 dps or so plus it only has 6 turrets instead of 7 so it could end up with about 900dps a more fleet friendly brutix.

rather than the 600 dps ish it gets now.
They will prob add a low slot to it i would think as the drake tank is too much with 6 meds and resis bonus.

And since the vulture will work off the ferox we want the vulture to get 2 dmg bonus like the astarte has and then maybe add some falloff bonus or tracking.

Depends.
There is the "lore doctrine" and then the "game doctrine". I'm not sure which one is actually pursued. I doubt it's the Caldari-lore one. In this case, it's better to go for the sake of Ferox' usability.

Got to make up your mind though. Sometimes I have the feeling everybody just wants some 20/20/20 slot layout :D.

5 mids are enough for a ferox:
web
point
mwd
LSE
invul

i may be wrong but, i think he wants it to be faster

Yes, I would like it to be a bit faster in order to get into range to use Blasters. It was originally intended to use rail guns, which have enough range that speed was not needed. It is currently the same speed as the Drake. The Drake can be standing still and still hit anything out to 60 Km or so, so it does not need speed, but if the Ferox is using Blasters, then the Ferox needs a bit more speed.

An increase from 140 m/sec to 160 m/s would be a big help and it would still be slower than the Hurricane and Cyclone.

One thing that I feel is going unnoticed is that in making the Ferox a brawler you're making it redundant.

Not only are you limiting its effectiveness to close range, but I also feel you're forgetting about the upcoming missile changes.

Hams are getting a nice buff, and they're going to be effected by guided missile precision.

Now, since hmls are getting a 25% range nerf, 10% damage nerf, 10% effectiveness nerf, and fury is being nerfed on all long range missile systems to precision range, this is going to make the drake almost purely focused on brawling.

The only thing I worry is that they're going to forget all about the hml nerfs when they go to balancing the drake and they're going to end up taking away the shield recharge rate forcing them to fit active tanks to be more succeptible to cap warfare.


That said though, the point still is that I think the Ferox is best suited with having the versatility of brawler or ranged.

However, I think it should be given a bonus in some way that gives it a plus at both long range and close range.

Maybe a sig radius bonus?

This would mean it's a small target at close range, but not as effective as a drake, and it would make a decent mid-long range sniper with low sig, but not near as effective or as high range as the Naga.


Basically, making it a brawler is redundant cause the drake will be mostly a brawler, and making it a sniper is redundant cause the Nage is a sniper, so why not make it both?

Oh, and I'm also in agreement with an extra mid slot for more utility

I don't think the drake will lose its resist bonus.

I feel that they'll just kill the shield recharge making them best suited as active tanks, and/or reducing their EHP and making them more of a buffer tank than a passive tank.

Point is, with the hml nerf, unless they're going to be giving the drake a nice damage and range buff, then the drake will be used mostly as a brawler.

dont kill ferox ccp,instead make it close range dps