Missions & Complexes

Heya,

I'm thinking about doing some level 4's for fun. And with retribution coming 4 december including a HML nerf and torpedo buff, I was wondering what would be most efficient for running level 4's with two ships. (two monitors, no alt tab.)

Doing this in caldari space I think CNR/SNI/Golem/Rattler would be nice, a combo between those anyway.
Hypothetically speaking, with characters with EVERYTHING level 5, what would be most efficient/fun?

Maybe two CNR's, just spam missiles? Or maybe a golem+rattlesnake? (With the torp buff, maybe even two golems?)
With maxed out drone skills a rattlesnake with sentry's on support seems nice, taking one for the agro seems pointless with the NPC's AI now switching targets. Also I'm not sure about how often they switch to drones now, cba to pay too much attention to them if I'm going the rattler route.

Was wondering if anybody has experience with this and would like to share it with me. But basically any input is welcome.
Edit: I also have a third acount with a noctis, so I don't need golems for salvage or something.

Hmm idd, so it'd have to be double CNR (seems rather efficient) or CNR+rattlesnake.

I dont know about torp buff but it smell like Golem will become real maraudee and as such i would use it.

Hmm, I think tengu+CNR will work nicely. I just wonder if maybe two CNR's will be better after the HML nerf... But fitting a tengu with two TP's might also boost the other CNR's damage, and I don't really have room for TP's on CNR's without gimping it's tank even more.

CCP's plan was to reduce missile flight time and then let tracking computers and enhancers work on missiles. The have decided to not go ahead with the changes to the tracking enhancers and computers. This will now mean your torps will be working at even shorter ranges. i run a CNR with torps and 3 x range rigs, on Tranq the range is 39km, on bucking ham it is 32km, take into account acceleration and the fact that you and your target are moving, t1 torps will not even hit out at 30km with 3 x range rigs and half decent skills. Tengu is still a good option, even with teh changes you will with HML hit out at 90km and maybe need an extra volley to kill things.
Flurk above has the right idea.. but I do enjoy the speed at which t2 torps kill bs, so maybe a vindi and a scorp navy with torps will be OK. I say scorp navy as the extra slots will allow for the fitting of a mwd to make up for the range difference

Two NM are even better.. trust me, this is the one place I don't use a turret and torp combination. One toon can't even use T2 tachy's but you will destroy things so quickly you barely have time to look at a second screen.

HML nerf is vastly overwhined about, tbh. With changes to heavy assault missiles, I'd recon the run of the mill Tengu will be a HAM fit with Javelins (around 50km range with all at V, which almost equals the new HM Fury) and Rage for battleships.



Javelins are unchanged. Rage torperdoes lose some of their speed and gain a slightly increased explosion radius, but with Guided skill and implants now affecting it will be easier to use (the changes equal roughly 1-2 TPs, depending on target). Rage Heavy Assaults are superior to Fury Heavies in every way except the range now. We'll be fine.

or me

or me... if you want to talk about multiboxing missions

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I'm in and out of class all day, so i couldn't write too much.

basically:

nightmare= 1,000 dps

rattlesnake= 500 dps with sentries

you're going to spend some money on the nightmare until you can fit T2 lasers. imperial navy tachyons, imperial navy heat sinks, imperial navy multifrequency. i think it's like, 300 mil over the cost of the hull.

assign the rattlesnake's sentries to the nightmare, and you are controlling 1,500 dps of instant damage out to a range of 40km optimal, 70km falloff, 100km max on the sentries. virtually no ammo; it will take something like 20 missions before you need to swap out crystals.

I find that the multifrequency/sentry combo gets nearly full damage out to 70km.

you *could* do two nightmares, but the rattlesnake and its drones fill in a targeting deficiency of the nightmare below *and* above its range of 30-70km. the nightmare also has so much dps, you don't need two of them.

I did use a golem before the nightmare, and it gets 1100 dps out of torps, but the range of 30km SUCKS. and then there's the ammo. it's a hassle.

my goal for the nightmare was to replace the golem in terms of dps, and it has, and more.

to manage the sentries of the rattlesnakes properly, after you assign them to the nightmare, separate the nightmare's guns into two groups and alternate between targets. only activate both groups on battleships. this is to keep the sentries busy--otherwise, they sit idle while your lasers are finishing cycle.

if anything gets under 25 km, just release light drones. I prefer light drones over mediums because they're faster, and it seems like the NPCs are less likely to target light drones at all.

I leave small targets for last (when they get in too close for lasers and sentries), even cruisers, sometimes battleships.

use "assist" and "guard" frequently.

I use the rattlesnakes for utility highs, such as 2 or 3 cap transfers for a cap chain, 3 to 4 drone link augmenters, and maybe a shield transfer. they're basically logi and, tactically, the nightmare's drone bitches. The only reason I would fit offensive highs is for the range the nightmare lacks, but I don't... it's maybe 150 dps per rattlesnake with cruises, but then you lose the drone links. and then they need ammo. it's not worth it.

the nightmare has two cap transfers as well. this negates the nightmare's cap problems. there's so much spare cap, in fact, that I ran X-L ancillary boosters EMPTY. until I got around to switching them out for X-L booster II's.

with the right implants (I'm running 5 percenters) and a shield boost amp, i get over 1,000 shield hitpoints per activation of X-L shield booster II's, with an activation cost of a little over 300cap.

it's not stable on auto-repeat, but it doesn't need to be, either.

I fill the mids with active shield hardeners and a booster, maybe a booster amp. i haven't run a prop mod in a while--slow boating to a gate is a welcome break from the race to set up the sentries and the lightning fast lock & pop routine.

lastly: this is a strictly level 4 and below fleet. would be great for level 5's, except there's the gankers.

if you'd like to come along on level 4's, convo me in game. I also carry large shield drones in the rattlesnakes, and they can rep something like 800 shield hp/second. if needed. hopefully not, because it ties up the rattlesnakes' drones, but i've kept some nooby battleships alive.

oh, and drone damage amps are supposed to get a buff, too, that's gonna be awesome.