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Agent avaibility?

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Coolmer
Kanizsa triangle
#1 - 2011-10-20 19:49:38 UTC
Again ... second time because stupid post form lose my quest .... angry now, and will copy after because forum is unstable

Fast and easy with pictures....

Example:
standing with agent is 9.31, standing with corp is 9.31, standing with that faction is 8.6
standing with agent is -6.4, standing with that corp is 1.24, standing with that faction is -6.44 (after dozens of missions)

So why is standing with that particular agent is frozen with faction standing and corp is going up?
So we that mission doing for what, for useless corp standing?

Example:
R&D Agent LV4
attribute compatibility "Your effective personal standings must be 3.00 or higher toward this agent's corporation in order to use this agent, as well as an effective personal standing of 5.00 or higher toward this agent, its faction, or its corporation in order to use this agent's services."

Where and how we know compatibility of all other agents, where we lose that information after losing agent quality?
Because many other agents have this attribute what is nonsense and is not true
"Your personal standings must be -2.0 or higher toward this agent, its faction, or its corporation in order to use this agent's services."
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2011-10-20 20:38:06 UTC
I'll be honest: I have no idea what you're asking. Clarify and maybe someone can help?
Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
#3 - 2011-10-20 20:47:27 UTC
Coolmer wrote:
So why is standing with that particular agent is frozen with faction standing and corp is going up?
So we that mission doing for what, for useless corp standing?


Only storyline missions will raise your faction standing. Regular missions only give corp and agent standings. As for the rest of your post, I agree with Zhilia, it's hard to understand.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-21 05:20:44 UTC
Coolmer wrote:
Again ... second time because stupid post form lose my quest .... angry now, and will copy after because forum is unstable

Fast and easy with pictures....


I'll try to answer this and yeah, just get in the habit of making a 'copy' of the text before selecting post or preview.

Coolmer wrote:
Example:
standing with agent is 9.31, standing with corp is 9.31, standing with that faction is 8.6
standing with agent is -6.4, standing with that corp is 1.24, standing with that faction is -6.44 (after dozens of missions)

So why is standing with that particular agent is frozen with faction standing and corp is going up?
So we that mission doing for what, for useless corp standing?


Since that specific agent standing is below -2.00, you can't access that specific agent. Doesn't matter if it's a level 1 agent, still no access due to bad agent standing. Probably failed too many missions. If you complete missions for a different agent within the same Corp and Faction, only the Corp and Faction standings will change on that specific agents info sheet. Usually Corp standings will rise much faster than Faction standings.

Training up the Diplomacy skill may help you gain access to that specific agent. After training Diplomacy lv 5 and that specific agent still isn't available (need above -2.00 agent standing), fleet with another character (player or alt) and have them get the mission offer from that specific agent. Then complete the mission as a fleet to share the rewards with all fleet members. Social and Negotiation skills should be trained up prior to this to help increase the amount of standing gained from the mission rewards.

Eventually the agent standing will rise and when it's above -2.00 you'll have access, as long as the Corp and Faction standings are also above -2.00 (agent lv 2 or higher). Level 1 agents are always available regardless of Corp and Faction standings.

Coolmer wrote:
Example:
R&D Agent LV4
attribute compatibility "Your effective personal standings must be 3.00 or higher toward this agent's corporation in order to use this agent, as well as an effective personal standing of 5.00 or higher toward this agent, its faction, or its corporation in order to use this agent's services."

Where and how we know compatibility of all other agents, where we lose that information after losing agent quality?
Because many other agents have this attribute what is nonsense and is not true
"Your personal standings must be -2.0 or higher toward this agent, its faction, or its corporation in order to use this agent's services."


As I mentioned above, there's 3 different standings that govern access to agents - Agent, Corporation, Faction. If any of those 3 standings are -2.00 or lower, you won't be able to access lv 2 and higher agents. Lv 1 agent will require having that specific agents standing above -2.00 for access, the Corp and Faction standing doesn't matter.

If the agent info sheet shows - "Your personal standings must be -2.0 or higher toward this agent, its faction, or its corporation in order to use this agent's services." - that means 1 or all 3 of those different standings (Agent, Corporation, Faction) will need to be raised above -2.00 for access. If it's a lv 1 agent, then only that specific agents standing needs to be raised above -2.00 standing. Just check the standings info in the character sheet for Agent, Corporation and Faction to see if 1or all 3 standings need to be raised for access.

I hope this answers your questions.
Coolmer
Kanizsa triangle
#5 - 2011-10-21 08:49:03 UTC
No this is not answer what I need, sorry for misunderstanding and I was so angry must write two times the same question.

The first question is why is standing with agent when you have negative standing with hims faction derived from faction and is locked with that worst scenario case (corporate standing is positive), but when you have positive faction standing is derived from better scenario case (corp (or faction if you didn't work on them))?

The second question is how much standing u need for level 2, level 3 and level 4 agents and where you can get the correct information (in simple numbers)?
You cant say in agent sheet because in agent sheet there is no that information, why?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-21 11:03:21 UTC
Coolmer wrote:
No this is not answer what I need, sorry for misunderstanding and I was so angry must write two times the same question.

The first question is why is standing with agent when you have negative standing with hims faction derived from faction and is locked with that worst scenario case (corporate standing is positive), but when you have positive faction standing is derived from better scenario case (corp (or faction if you didn't work on them))?

The second question is how much standing u need for level 2, level 3 and level 4 agents and where you can get the correct information (in simple numbers)?
You cant say in agent sheet because in agent sheet there is no that information, why?


Wow, sorry. I really racked my brain to come up with that info too.

What?


Let's try this again.

I haven't messed with it much but the in-game Agent Finder should list everything. Agent location, Agent level, Standing required, etc. However, CCP did release a Dev Blog listing the amount of standing needed per Agent level.

Level 1 = always available
Level 2 = +1.00 standing
Level 3 = +3.00 standing
Level 4 = +5.00 standing
Level 5 = +7.00 standing

The bottom of the 'Agent Info' tab in the agent window should list the amount of standing required for access. If it doesn't list any numbers, then you probably have enough standing for access. If it shows - "Your personal standings must be -2.0 or higher toward this agent, its faction, or its corporation in order to use this agent's services." - that means 1 or all 3 of those different standings (Agent, Corporation, Faction) will need to be raised above -2.00 for access.


Now for your first question which I still don't fully understand but I'll try 1 more time.

These numbers can't be correct but I'll work with it.

Quote:
standing with agent is -6.4, standing with that corp is 1.24, standing with that faction is -6.44 (after dozens of missions)


That agent is locked with no access due to having below -2.00 Agent standing. The only way to get negative Agent standings is when you fail or quit missions offered by that Agent. You also get small amount of negative Corporation standing. I already posted how you can gain access to that agent.

2 ways to get negative Faction standings. Fail or quit a Storyline mission offer. You'll also get small amount of negative Agent and Corporation standing. The other way is by getting derived negative standings for completing storyline missions from enemy Factions or by destroying Faction NPC's.

Completing storyline mission gives positive standing to all Corporations in that Faction and positive standing to the Faction itself. It also gives derived positive standing to friendly Factions.

Quote:
why is standing with agent when you have negative standing with hims faction derived from faction and is locked with that worst scenario case (corporate standing is positive)


Bottom line, you can have negative standings with Agent and Faction and still have positive standing with the Corporation just by failing or quitting a storyline mission. This also includes negative hits for destroying Faction NPC's.

I'm sorry, but I'm getting tired and I still don't really understand your question. Obviously English isn't your native language. Might wanna ask your question in the appropriate language channel in-game.
Coolmer
Kanizsa triangle
#7 - 2011-10-21 11:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Coolmer
Thank you for time and good will to answer, so ...

Level 2 = +1.00 standing
Level 3 = +3.00 standing
Level 4 = +5.00 standing
Level 5 = +7.00 standing

In my case, let we understands the fact I didn't decline or fail missions not story line missions, I do it very well.
I have access to all level 5 agents in Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation, but in mean time I lost standing with Ammar and Caldari, so I was trying to get some standing above -5, I hate message "This is your last journey ...." when I travel in one bill ship. So I do it at level 1 agent as supposed, but after dozens of missions I only get standing with corp not agent, agent is locked with faction and goes up only with story line missions.
So how much standing i need for level 2 of opposite faction, does all standings corp/fac must be +1 or is enough to have higher then -2 with faction and 1+ with corp?
I asked because with agent level 1 is go so slow, and don't have any sense to be locked with faction standing if you are good with that corporation, because I think you do in first place missions for particular corporation, so it will be nice to have some advantages.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-21 12:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Coolmer wrote:
Thank you for time and good will to answer, so ...

Level 2 = +1.00 standing
Level 3 = +3.00 standing
Level 4 = +5.00 standing
Level 5 = +7.00 standing

In my case, let we understands the fact I didn't decline or fail missions not story line missions, I do it very well.
I have access to all level 5 agents in Minmatar Republic and Gallente Federation, but in mean time I lost standing with Ammar and Caldari, so I was trying to get some standing above -5, I hate message "This is your last journey ...." when I travel in one bill ship. So I do it at level 1 agent as supposed, but after dozens of missions I only get standing with corp not agent, agent is locked with faction and goes up only with story line missions.
So how much standing i need for level 2 of opposite faction, does all standings corp/fac must be +1 or is enough to have higher then -2 with faction and 1+ with corp?
I asked because with agent level 1 is go so slow, and don't have any sense to be locked with faction standing if you are good with that corporation, because I think you do in first place missions for particular corporation, so it will be nice to have some advantages.


OK, I think I understand now. You are trying to repair some bad negative Faction standings. Need to do regular 16 missions to get a Storyline mission offer to gain Faction standing increase. Slow going since storyline is the Faction standing offer. Of course you already know this.

First and foremost, train up the Diplomacy skill.

Now this is the amount of Corporation or Faction standing needed to access agents per level.

Level 2 = +1.00 standing
Level 3 = +3.00 standing
Level 4 = +5.00 standing
Level 5 = +7.00 standing

If you use the Corporation standing for access, the Faction also needs to be above -2.00 standing. So to access the level 2 agent, need +1.00 Corporation and above -2.00 Faction standing.

If your Amarr or Caldari Faction standing is -5.00 or lower, you'll be attacked by Navy NPC's when entering their space so you have to find Amarr or Caldari agents in Gallente or Minmatar space... Probably already know this too.

After you get above -5.00 Faction standing, that will allow safe travel in those Factions space. When you can enter Amarr or Caldari space, I suggest you complete missions for the Event Agents listed in this 'Plan'.
Steven Fonulique
SF Incorporated
#9 - 2011-10-21 14:02:26 UTC
with regards to the agent standings being 'locked' while the corporation standings are going up I think you might be mistaking effective standings for agent standings.

Effective standings are what is used to calculate how much money and lp the agent will offer you for completing missions with him.

when faction standings for that agent's faction is below -2 your effective standings will always be equal the lowest value between your standings towards the agent, his corporation and his faction.

Once your standings towards his faction goes above -2 your effective standings will be equal to the highest value between the 3 (agent, corp, faction).

This is what I have deduced from personal experience I will gladly take any corrections or errors that are pointed out into advisement.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-10-21 18:34:18 UTC
Good point, he probably was looking at the agents effective standing instead of the actual agent standing.

If the actual agent standing is negative, the agent should be listed in the 'Disliked by' tab of the standings section in the players character sheet.