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Missioners: What is your goal?

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I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#21 - 2011-10-19 19:36:22 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:


When this so obviously is a troll. His statement above is essentially a polite way of asking "how the hell do you people do the same thing over and over again without your head exploding?"



Actually this is a valid viewpoint, this task is tedious and boring to me, I did it for a few months but could not keep it up for longer. That being said humans are not clones of each other, what is boring to one has some value for another. That's why there are differing genres of games.

I want to know what specific enjoyment people get out of it, because I'm curious. You know that thing that makes some people want to discover things and learn new things, not just know what they are told?

Derath Ellecon wrote:


Which is very much "I used to be just like you until I saw the light"



Not at all, there is no light as there is no right and wrong viewpoint. Just people who enjoy different things.


**** this forum is so jaded, I'm glad there are at least some serious answers in my threads.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#22 - 2011-10-19 19:36:52 UTC  |  Edited by: I Accidentally YourShip
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.

I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.

For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.

For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.


But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable?

You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature.

Seriously, did you even read the thread?



Liked.



EDIT: I also wonder why this person thinks I'm self-righteous.

"Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, a holier-than-thou attitude[1]) is a feeling of (usually) smug moral superiority[2] derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person." according to Lolipedia.

I never put down the people who mission, if you feel that me finding something boring is putting it down then you are a very odd person. I can find something boring, that doesn't make me self-righteous, that just gives me a preference.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#23 - 2011-10-19 19:40:40 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
. Yet he doesn't have a "How can you guys stand to PVP all day?" in warfare or C&P.


Because I know I would be greeted with a WAVE of raging pvpers that would whip into a raging lynch mob at the slightest hint that pvp isn't interesting or fair in this game.

You want to know my viewpoint on pvp in this game? Terribly one sided in almost all non-dueling situations that no amount of skill will get you out of because hey it requires no skill! Tactical planning? Sure! Strategy, you bet. Guess what else requires those things? Missioning. The only difference is the strategies and tactics are static because the fights are static. Therein lies the ONLY difference and it is not a particularly good one.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#24 - 2011-10-19 19:45:04 UTC
Jessica Issier wrote:
I see missioning as a means to an end, the end being blowing other people up Big smile

But I did realize that there are FAR better ways to make money and stopped running them a while ago


This is not the type of response I'm really interested in. I'm looking for the viewpoints of the so-judged "carebear" crowd. The people who mission for better ships to mission, not the people who mission for ISK to blow other people up, I already see that viewpoint it was one of mine when I had a subscription.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-19 20:24:24 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Nex apparatu5 wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Self righteous much? The bigger question is why do you care? Seem people like PVP. some people like PVE. Some people enjoy missions. Some people enjoy sitting in station and trading all day. Some people I know run 6 clients (yes 6) in a mining gang all day and then build stuff.

I would venture to guess each person does these activities because they find it enjoyable.

For me, I do it all. I run missions, but eventually get bored. I do some high/low/null pve (exploration). I go on PVP roams with friends.

For me, when I run missions I enjoy kind of 2 aspects. First it's easy isk to rebuild the coffers. I also enjoy running the same missions and see how I can be more efficient. Kind of like racing against myself.


But again I am more curious, why do you care what others find enjoyable?

You are the reason this forum needs a downvote feature.

Seriously, did you even read the thread?



Liked.



EDIT: I also wonder why this person thinks I'm self-righteous.

"Self-righteousness (also called sanctimoniousness, sententiousness, a holier-than-thou attitude[1]) is a feeling of (usually) smug moral superiority[2] derived from a sense that one's beliefs, actions, or affiliations are of greater virtue than those of the average person." according to Lolipedia.

I never put down the people who mission, if you feel that me finding something boring is putting it down then you are a very odd person. I can find something boring, that doesn't make me self-righteous, that just gives me a preference.


Probably because most of the time a thread like this is exactly that.

I mean honestly, I am curious what you expected to get out of this thread. You have made it clear the mission grind isn't for you. It clearly is for others. Where you hoping someone would say "i like missions because..." and you would suddenly be like "wow if only i did missions for that reason maybe i'd enjoy it!"
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#26 - 2011-10-19 20:27:21 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:


Probably because most of the time a thread like this is exactly that.

I mean honestly, I am curious what you expected to get out of this thread. You have made it clear the mission grind isn't for you. It clearly is for others. Where you hoping someone would say "i like missions because..." and you would suddenly be like "wow if only i did missions for that reason maybe i'd enjoy it!"


Don't get me wrong, I did not come here to get convinced that missioning was something interesting to do. I just came here purely out of boredom to converse and the viewpoints of some people that are not similar to my own was something I was curious about, as clearly I do not understand their viewpoint, it is not mine.
Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-10-19 23:20:54 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
I mission when I get bored gatecamping and shooting ppl in a blob.

Btw, why do you do what you do in a sandbox? It's all-so-pointless...Cool

You know that life is the biggest sandbox we found so far? ;-)
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-10-19 23:25:11 UTC
Some people just like it. It is just a different viewpoint that you are running into; same reason one chick might like giving blowjobs and another wouldn't.

I do whatever I'm in the mood for which lately has been exploring in an all-in-one fit Proteus while I set up my 3 account solo mining op to explore industry in EVE.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?

Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-10-20 00:08:42 UTC
Desudes wrote:
blowjobs



Tease
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#30 - 2011-10-20 11:16:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
1) To keep sec-status reasonable.
2) To keep the coffers topped up.
3) Something to do that still involves **** urp-sploding that actually doesn't nuke (1) or sink (2).
4) Something I can do that doesn't require me to be overly social if I don't feel like it.

Ni.

Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#31 - 2011-10-20 13:40:00 UTC
Instant fun.. and yeah I do find them to be fun still.. in.. moderate doses... 'chuckles*

Considering my work and having to take care of all the housework, cook dinner do laundry etc... its nice to have something i can log in, play for half an hour, get some nice escape from reality and just chill.

Dont have to jump 30 jumps for incursions, or spend hours roaming and not getting any pvp funsies. So perfect for those days when i am on limited time, also since i dont have to worry about anyone else i can just log if work needs my attention. No fleetmates to worry about.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#32 - 2011-10-20 23:20:11 UTC
Interesting query.

I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Why do you mission endlessly?


What makes you think mission runners "mission endlessly"?

That's an interesting thought because I consider myself a mission runner, some of the time, but don't view myself as missioning endlessly.

I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
I'm not talking to the people who fuel their expensive pvp habits with missioning, I'm talking about the people who mission and mission to get more ISK, to get a bigger ship so you can get more ISK faster.


So, are you only interested in mission runners who meet these particular criteria, or is this how you see mission runners?

I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression?


Is this how you see mission running?

If so, your understanding of what mission running is differs quite markedly from mine. Vive la difference (however spelled).

I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
... Unlike most other treadmill games that attach effort to progress EVE does not do that. Ships are disposable, even expensive ships with expensive modules can eventually be replaced. The illusion of progress in this game is skill points which are static in gain. No effort you make improves your character itself in any way, only time does that.


Intriguing insert. Makes me wonder whether OP is actually interested in his posed questions or is more interested in using them as a springboard for espousing some of his views of the universe.

I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.


Hmmmm, I think we have a series of wonderful beer commercials that aptly respond to this ... Yeah right!!



I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#33 - 2011-10-21 00:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression?

....

This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.


The one question I left in there makes it sound a LOT like a troll. You might not have intended it that way but on its own, maybe you'll see why some people are offended by it. You're basically belittling missioning with that question.

I don't do missions. I joined in when my corpmates ran missions, but rarely started them on my own. I actually have a hard time getting jump clones because I've never put in the effort to get the requisite standings with enough NPC corps. Still, I think I understand the mission runners well enough.

1) It's the first thing they are introduced to in Eve. The tutorials are a series of missions, so it's easy to step from the training missions to Sisters of Eve to normal faction missions as your first activity. After a few weeks of missions and getting new ships, they become invested in missions both in experience and the skill training they choose. After a while, it's just what they do best/easiest.

2) It has some appeal to the same OCD crowd who will play the same platformer over and over to get a better score/time/whatever. Pick a metric: isk/hour, mission times, standings, NPC kill count, whatever...doing better than their previous best drives them.

3) You may see ships as disposable tools, but they might see ships as vehicles, property, even the closest thing they have to a "home" in Eve. It's the thing they spend the most time in, can customize, and show off. They started in a Merlin, moved up to a Cormorant, then to a Caracal, a Drake, a Raven, a Tengu, then a Golem. Every upgrade was a reward to them. T2 large weapons training completed? Time to upgrade. You might think it's silly, but there is a whole genre of flash games out there where "complete this repetitive task to get upgrades" is the entire game.

(edit: for that matter, almost every single player game and multiplayer RPGs does this: the further you progress, the more cool stuff you get to use. They've been conditioned for this mentality by nearly every game there is)

4) It's a means to an end. Locator agents, station taxes, jump clones, and isk to buy ships and PLEX can all be had via missions. Sometimes you have to grind to get to stuff you need/want.

5) While they're running missions and amassing wealth and ships, they are also training skills. Have you forgotten that every minute an account is active, it can be training? They may have other goals and simply be using missions to pass the time while they complete their training.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Siabhra
Interstellar Archaeology
#34 - 2011-10-21 02:56:04 UTC
I play missions mostly because I am a casual gamer and they are quick and easy. I get to go fly, shoot stuff up, loot and sell, in a relatively short amount of time.
Just now I am thinking of branching out, but just don't know where to go from here...until I figure that out, I will mission. OR I could go mine...and mine, and mine.

So, my answer is that I really like the EVE universe, it is so different from the other MMO's out there. Therefore, I'd rather mission in my short time available than quit.

Big smile
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#35 - 2011-10-21 03:07:39 UTC
Siabhra wrote:
Just now I am thinking of branching out, but just don't know where to go from here...until I figure that out, I will mission.


Exploration. It's much less monotonous, you'll see more places, and you can branch out into higher-risk activities like lowsec or wormhole exploration as you gain experience. You'll still be shooting NPCs so your mission skillset will apply well.

Siabhra wrote:
So, my answer is that I really like the EVE universe, it is so different from the other MMO's out there. Therefore, I'd rather mission in my short time available than quit.


Agreed. If you only have an hour to put into an Eve session, missions might be the only thing that actually get you what you're looking for. Incursions can take a while to get started, exploration takes patience, and it can take more than an hour to find good PVP (that's GOOD pvp, rather than being blobbed by a force you can't hope to fight)

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#36 - 2011-10-21 08:03:56 UTC
Well I like BS's dont know why I just like them.

As any Master Battle Ship pilot can tell. The only smart thing to do with a BS at this point is PVE.

Most BS have fat ass's and move slow are big easy targets and more then a fewer smaller faster cheaper ships can put out as much dps and more true dps then a BS can in pvp.

Cant even use them to realibly Snip anymore so PVE content is realy the only smart thing for a BS pilot to do.Ugh

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#37 - 2011-10-21 09:12:59 UTC
I really like gaining new levels while I missions, and see how I can change my tactics or strategy for them at each new level I gain. Suppose with max skills I would lose that enjoyment, and become more like how you are feeling. I also like the story of the missions and like doing them. As well as too young to say I have won missioning right now.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne

Wordle
Cepheus Phi
#38 - 2011-10-21 14:02:05 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Do you enjoy getting the same small pool of missions over and over again, dominating the same NPCs with a small amount of risk and no artificial path of progression?

....

This is not a flame / troll / bait post, I am a former EVE player who is interested in the viewpoints of missioners who continue to do something that I burned out on due to lack of direction and goal a long time ago.


The one question I left in there makes it sound a LOT like a troll. You might not have intended it that way but on its own, maybe you'll see why some people are offended by it. You're basically belittling missioning with that question.

I don't do missions. I joined in when my corpmates ran missions, but rarely started them on my own. I actually have a hard time getting jump clones because I've never put in the effort to get the requisite standings with enough NPC corps. Still, I think I understand the mission runners well enough.

1) It's the first thing they are introduced to in Eve. The tutorials are a series of missions, so it's easy to step from the training missions to Sisters of Eve to normal faction missions as your first activity. After a few weeks of missions and getting new ships, they become invested in missions both in experience and the skill training they choose. After a while, it's just what they do best/easiest.

2) It has some appeal to the same OCD crowd who will play the same platformer over and over to get a better score/time/whatever. Pick a metric: isk/hour, mission times, standings, NPC kill count, whatever...doing better than their previous best drives them.

3) You may see ships as disposable tools, but they might see ships as vehicles, property, even the closest thing they have to a "home" in Eve. It's the thing they spend the most time in, can customize, and show off. They started in a Merlin, moved up to a Cormorant, then to a Caracal, a Drake, a Raven, a Tengu, then a Golem. Every upgrade was a reward to them. T2 large weapons training completed? Time to upgrade. You might think it's silly, but there is a whole genre of flash games out there where "complete this repetitive task to get upgrades" is the entire game.

(edit: for that matter, almost every single player game and multiplayer RPGs does this: the further you progress, the more cool stuff you get to use. They've been conditioned for this mentality by nearly every game there is)

4) It's a means to an end. Locator agents, station taxes, jump clones, and isk to buy ships and PLEX can all be had via missions. Sometimes you have to grind to get to stuff you need/want.

5) While they're running missions and amassing wealth and ships, they are also training skills. Have you forgotten that every minute an account is active, it can be training? They may have other goals and simply be using missions to pass the time while they complete their training.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

I mission primarily because I need a lump-sum of ISK to use for PvP in the future (I quit early on after I first gave the game a try, then gave it another try and ended up really liking the game so don't let my character age fool you). I view my ships as property and things I have earned. I enjoy upgrading them. I'm currently in a Tengu and blazing through missions as my character racks up skill points is quite fun and prosperous. I try to give all the wrecks I don't loot/salvage to new players to give them a nice ISK boost early on which I never got.

Most of the skill training I have done towards my missioning ships will benefit me when I PvP later on down the road. I'm just now starting to train for stealth bomber use for wardecing small mining corps out here in high-sec. I can't wait. From there I will branch out and eventually end up in low/null sec space.

But as far as those fabled crazy folks out there who mission all day, every day, I do know of one and he missions in the system I inhabit. He's pretty weird and doesn't PvP. All he does is missions. All he trains for is more missioning ships. I don't know what his deal is, OP. He has been playing EvE since 2006. While you do seem like a troll, your question is valid, but I don't know if the people you're referring to read these forums.
I Accidentally YourShip
Ronin ONE
Ronin Reloaded
#39 - 2011-10-21 16:04:05 UTC
Wordle wrote:


But as far as those fabled crazy folks out there who mission all day, every day, I do know of one and he missions in the system I inhabit. He's pretty weird and doesn't PvP. All he does is missions. All he trains for is more missioning ships. I don't know what his deal is, OP. He has been playing EvE since 2006. While you do seem like a troll, your question is valid, but I don't know if the people you're referring to read these forums.


Those are the people I'm looking for, I assume it would be fair after this long that people like that do not frequent / visit the forums at all. Oh well.
Goose99
#40 - 2011-10-21 16:18:45 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Wordle wrote:


But as far as those fabled crazy folks out there who mission all day, every day, I do know of one and he missions in the system I inhabit. He's pretty weird and doesn't PvP. All he does is missions. All he trains for is more missioning ships. I don't know what his deal is, OP. He has been playing EvE since 2006. While you do seem like a troll, your question is valid, but I don't know if the people you're referring to read these forums.


Those are the people I'm looking for, I assume it would be fair after this long that people like that do not frequent / visit the forums at all. Oh well.


Why do some people eat rice with ketchup?

A better question would be: why do you care?Roll

It's a sandbox, as is life.