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You just let your safety at green, nothing of what you want to do generates a suspect flag, only a weapons flag.

1) Safe logoff will get your ship removed from space in 30s compared to 60s+ for normal logoff, plus you get to see it happen rather than wondering if someone found you at the last minute. Also note that now you can still pick up a PVP flag AFTER logging off (but before the ship is removed), and so be held in space indefinitely.
2) In the jump case, you'll lose your gate cloak when you disconnect and begin to ewarp. In the second case, the timers won't start until you warp ends, so you'll still be in space and vulnerable for longer.
3) Yes. No
4) Can't activate safe logoff whilst under any kind of cloak. The station case, I'll need to check
5) Yes, safe logoff timer (as with regular logoff and combat timers) will get dilated in line with everything else
6) Yes, ship always perorms an ewarp when logging in, regardless of how you logged off. (Unless you are logging back in immediately after logging off and your ship is still in space from your previous session)
7) Yes. You can be attacked and tackled at the login ewarp spot as normal.
8) The existing 'unsafe' logoff behaviour is not expected to change, and will remain as the default behaviour. Ewarps will continue to happen in this case (unless tackled)


Neither of these two situations will give you a suspect flag. You can attack mission and belt NPCs with safeties at Full.

Yes they do:
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/63443/1/logo2_timers_screenshot.png
From left-to-right: PVP flag, Suspect flag, Weapons flag

The NPC flag is like the PVP flag, but yellow. The Criminal flag is like Suspect flag, but red.

Cheers for that! they are very clear actually.

Quick question, whats the symbol for the Weapons flag supposed to be? Could it not be a symbol in the same style representing the style of weapon that generated the flat (i.e. a red outlined generic drone)

Why?

Because once you steal, you're a suspect, and thus a legal target for anyone. Which means people won't need to change their safety settings to shoot you (at which point you blap them, because you're pvp fit and they're not)



Can flipping, as is, is dead, because anyone can take from a suspect without getting any kind of flag. Though you could cycle it through someone else to get a clean can.

marvelous idea.

Shooting NPC's does NOT earn you a suspect flag.... So, in both cases you do NOT need to set your safety to yellow or red... green will be just fine!

Just AWESOME. Me likey. Good job, I never even thought of that one.

There's one good and one horrendous thing in there.

Picking up PvP flag after logging off is great. This has been needed for a long time. However:

30sec is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too short log off time. Have you ever combat probed people? I have. Alot. I have multiple dedicated combat probers in cov ops (cov ops 5 and all astrometric 5 skills) plus t3 pilots (all t3 subsystem 5 and probing 5). Usually what happens when someone logs off is this - it takes 10sec+ to launch your preferably 5+ (I use 7) probes. You want to know his location already so you can get a 2au probe or less there, even with great skills. Depending on size ofc, but I'm assuming a regular Tengu or similar ratter.

If you're quite fast, you might take say a second per probe to position, + let's pretend they are already 2au from your last probe so you don't even have to resize them. That's another 7sec on top of your 10+. Now, pretend you get an instant hit because of your :awsomeness: so you can immediately warp to him. You have a fast ship that goes into warp in say 3 sec, to make a round fine number to add to the 17 you had. So you have spent 20 sec of his 30 to - go through warp, land, start tackle, aggress. You cannot do that in 10 seconds, that is literally impossible.

You have to make the log off timer 60sec, it's already fairly close for bigger systems, 60sec only really works if he's dumb enough to let you dscan him down and is slow at logging off. Even with the 2mins timers from PvE activity, I've still had plenty of Tengus ewarping off in low shields because I simply can't get my probes there fast enough. Even with max skills, good dscans kills and alot of experience from doing this.

Edit; So to summarize, the only way to catch someone who logs off during safe-system now: use a cov ops pilot, with great skills, with probes pre-launched, and a smartbomb fitted so he don't have to worry about locking the pilot when landing. Preferably he also has his friends able to arrive within 10sec (titanbridge or blob or already in system etc) as you'll die immediately if this guy clicks "aboard" and kill you. I.e. this is another small-scale PvP nerf, blob boost.

Yes, but most ratters today already warp to safe (cloak there, if no POS), wait 15min, then log off. And a great many of them don't log off at all if they see probes, which in sub 14au systems (or if you don't already know his spot) happens quite alot. Read the edit to my post too: to really catch someone reliably, you'd need a suicidal cov ops with smartbomb, pre-launched probes, and he still needs to have his fleetmates arrive within 10sec or something before he's insta-volleyed.

It's quite damn silly, making ratters completely safe, and it's alot more easy to probe in systems where you have your blob + pre-launched probes, i.e., defenders. Aggressive and mobile PvPers will be screwed by default. Another hit for roaming small-scale PvPers, as we just keep posting over and over how that needs love and blobbing a nerf. Instead, CCP does the opposite.