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Regarding the new bounty feature

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Methelic Mahyisti
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-11-28 13:10:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Methelic Mahyisti
I've read the http://www.eveonline.com/retribution/bounty-hunting/ and the dev blog, but there's something that didn't make much sense to me.


* Anyone can place a bounty on anyone.
* Anyone can claim a bounty.
* These bounties are advertised on the same wall on which Concord appears.


To me this system sounds like a hitman feature. Why is it legal?

Murder is not cool, but paid murder is fine?
Aducat Ragnarson
Blootered Bastards
#2 - 2012-11-28 13:13:26 UTC
Having a Bounty on your head does not make you a legal target automatically.
Methelic Mahyisti
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-11-28 13:14:49 UTC
Aducat Ragnarson wrote:
Having a Bounty on your head does not make you a legal target automatically.



So will Concord interfere or will they not?
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#4 - 2012-11-28 13:15:07 UTC
No, this makes perfect sense. Compare it with a court order or demands from a legal collection agency. Ship / pod loss isn't murder in the Eve Universe, it's destruction of property. If this doesn't make sense, the real world doesn't make sense either.... oh wait...Ugh
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#5 - 2012-11-28 13:15:54 UTC
Bounties do not equal kill rights.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Methelic Mahyisti
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-11-28 13:16:26 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
No, this makes perfect sense. Compare it with a court order or demands from a legal collection agency. Ship / pod loss isn't murder in the Eve Universe, it's destruction of property. If this doesn't make sense, the real world doesn't make sense either.... oh wait...Ugh



Then why can't you legally destroy someone's ship? This doens't make any sense what so ever.
Methelic Mahyisti
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-11-28 13:16:56 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Bounties do not equal kill rights.


So will Condord interfere or will they not?..
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-11-28 13:18:44 UTC
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Bounties do not equal kill rights.


So will Condord interfere or will they not?..

CONCORD will act as normal. They will interfere if you attack a bounty'd player unlawfully, as they do right now.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#9 - 2012-11-28 13:20:18 UTC
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Bounties do not equal kill rights.


So will Condord interfere or will they not?..


Normal aggression rules apply.

Hisec has concord.

Lowsec has gate guns.

If concord interferes depends on where you are and if the attack players has a kill right active on them.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Dr No Game
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-11-28 13:20:26 UTC
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
No, this makes perfect sense. Compare it with a court order or demands from a legal collection agency. Ship / pod loss isn't murder in the Eve Universe, it's destruction of property. If this doesn't make sense, the real world doesn't make sense either.... oh wait...Ugh



Then why can't you legally destroy someone's ship? This doens't make any sense what so ever.

Incentive. Is a 1BIl ISK bounty risk the loss of a crappy ship?
Methelic Mahyisti
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-11-28 13:20:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Methelic Mahyisti
tgl3 wrote:
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Bounties do not equal kill rights.


So will Condord interfere or will they not?..

CONCORD will act as normal. They will interfere if you attack a bounty'd player unlawfully, as they do right now.




Then why are these bounties advertised on the same screen on which CONCORD also appears?.. It's like advertising hits publicly.

Still makes less than zero sense.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#12 - 2012-11-28 13:25:48 UTC
Dr No Game wrote:
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
No, this makes perfect sense. Compare it with a court order or demands from a legal collection agency. Ship / pod loss isn't murder in the Eve Universe, it's destruction of property. If this doesn't make sense, the real world doesn't make sense either.... oh wait...Ugh



Then why can't you legally destroy someone's ship? This doens't make any sense what so ever.

Incentive. Is a 1BIl ISK bounty risk the loss of a crappy ship?



Though you'd only get 1 billion, if the targets ship is worth 5 Blink You only get 20% of ship value. this is to stop people blowing themselves up with an alt, to claim their own bounties

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

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Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc
#13 - 2012-11-28 13:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Liner Xiandra
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:



Then why are these bounties advertised on the same screen on which CONCORD also appears?.. It's like advertising hits publicly.


Yes. and?

You can also bribe concord to not intervene when attacking other corporations in Hi-Sec. It's called declaring war.
Concord is not some pacifist movement.
Methelic Mahyisti
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-11-28 13:27:39 UTC
Liner Xiandra wrote:
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:



Then why are these bounties advertised on the same screen on which CONCORD also appears?.. It's like advertising hits publicly.


Yes. and?

You can also bribe concord to not intervene when attacking other corporations in Hi-Sec. It's called declaring war.
Concord is not some pacifist movement.



Thus there is no point in hisec anyone as you can kill anyone you please.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#15 - 2012-11-28 13:31:34 UTC
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
Liner Xiandra wrote:
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:



Then why are these bounties advertised on the same screen on which CONCORD also appears?.. It's like advertising hits publicly.


Yes. and?

You can also bribe concord to not intervene when attacking other corporations in Hi-Sec. It's called declaring war.
Concord is not some pacifist movement.



Thus there is no point in hisec anyone as you can kill anyone you please.



Congrats I think you now get Eve.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc
#16 - 2012-11-28 13:31:37 UTC
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
Liner Xiandra wrote:
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:



Then why are these bounties advertised on the same screen on which CONCORD also appears?.. It's like advertising hits publicly.


Yes. and?

You can also bribe concord to not intervene when attacking other corporations in Hi-Sec. It's called declaring war.
Concord is not some pacifist movement.



Thus there is no point in hisec anyone as you can kill anyone you please.


Welcome to EVE Online
Methelic Mahyisti
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-11-28 13:32:49 UTC
Liner Xiandra wrote:
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
Liner Xiandra wrote:
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:



Then why are these bounties advertised on the same screen on which CONCORD also appears?.. It's like advertising hits publicly.


Yes. and?

You can also bribe concord to not intervene when attacking other corporations in Hi-Sec. It's called declaring war.
Concord is not some pacifist movement.



Thus there is no point in hisec anyone as you can kill anyone you please.


Welcome to EVE Online



Very funny. So EVE is defined as completely changing its core concept from one day to another?

Okay thank you
Tor Mitchel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-11-28 13:34:09 UTC
You cannot declare war on players in an NPC corp. Declaring war requires a 24hr buffer period before it's legal. Declaring a non-mutual war is fairly expensive, so that players won't declare war on any old target, just the people they really want dead.

So yes, there is a point in HiSec.
Tor Mitchel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-11-28 13:35:23 UTC
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:
Very funny. So EVE is defined as completely changing its core concept from one day to another?

Okay thank you


Where did you get that from? HiSec has never been 100% effective at protecting players. When you undock there is always a risk of ship loss. Always has been.
Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc
#20 - 2012-11-28 13:35:55 UTC
Methelic Mahyisti wrote:


Very funny. So EVE is defined as completely changing its core concept from one day to another?

Okay thank you


There isn't a change at all regarding War declarations, Bounties or Killrights with the current system. It's only expanded with some excellent features (selling killrights) and a new bounty system that is (hopefully) not exploitable as the current situation.
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