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Why do people mine? Seriously.
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Revajin
Doomheim
#121 - 2012-11-28 09:44:42 UTC
When I first started playing EVE I warped to a belt in low sec trying to explore. I was just flying around the asteroids pretending I was the Millennium Falcon when a flashy red assault frigate landed on the belt. I tried to align to a gate to warp off but my stupid ship got bumped by an asteroid which gave the pirate enough time to kill me. To this day I have never forgiven the space rocks and mine them endlessly in the hopes that their genocide will erase my feeling of loss.
Hypercake Mix
#122 - 2012-11-28 09:46:21 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

You do realize that you can modify sell orders remotely?

Since you're already starting industry&research jobs from belt why not add some trading.

You did say "max out every mining related skill". Since those are things I can do from belt they are "mining related skills".

Leadership skills are kinda required to fly Orca.

I suppose trading while mining on one character simultaneously works quite well if you're in the same region as your sell orders.
Only one or two of the pilots are in Orcas. The rest don't really need to be trained into it.
Mara Rinn wrote:

This, pretty much. Leadership skills for at least two pilots: one with the Orca for Wing Commander & Mining Foreman Mindlink, then one for the pilot acting as squad commander for Leadership and Siege Warfare Specialist & Siege Warfare Mindlink, then shield tank the mining squad. If there was a structure tanking mindlink, I'd use that instead.

Since you can't convert ore to ISK without trade skills, you need those. You make more ISK processing the ore first, so train up Industry, Refining, Refinery Efficiency, Metallurgy, specialist ore refining, Scrap Metal Processing (for the loot from rats you blow up while mining, and the loot you scoop from failed suicide gankers).

We're still mining related here, folks. It keeps going!

Then Trade skills because someone has to sell the product. And you'll want to improve standings to get lower taxes in those stations, so train those social skills and spam missions (courier missions since we're being lazy and not training combat skills).

So while you're mining you're also updating buy orders, sell orders, courier contracts (to get some other ******* to haul your billion units of tritanium from Colelie to Dodixie), research, manufacturing, etc. And then you realise that you've missed fifteen minutes of that movie because you were so busy doing that "AFK" activity which everyone thinks is for chumps.

In fact out of all the skill trees, the only ones you won't have some skills maxed out in will be Missiles and Gunnery.

Praise thy pause button.
And well, that's pretty much everything that could be said. Now lets see if a miner or two reads this and learns from it.
Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#123 - 2012-11-28 09:53:17 UTC
Why do people do anything, because they want too.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#124 - 2012-11-28 10:19:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Snow Axe
People need isk. Mining is mindnumbing and terrible, but so is PvE and Industry/Market trading/Scamming isn't for everyone. Mining is the easiest of the bunch and can not only be done largely AFK, but even has ships that facilitate AFK play (in direct contrast to PvE, which has ongoing efforts to eliminate AFK gameplay). That makes it a pretty attractive option.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#125 - 2012-11-28 10:21:02 UTC
Mining mechanics are horribly bad and boring.

I know of no-one who does not aim at doing other stuff while mining. Watching movies, shows what ever.

Mining is an extreme grind of your life. Seriously consider if it's worth the (lack of) isk.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -
Nelran Estemaire
No Spoon Inc
#126 - 2012-11-28 11:01:19 UTC
Impressive what you can get out of a single post...
Alexila Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
#127 - 2012-11-28 11:28:48 UTC
Kiran wrote:
90% of the items you buy are made by players. Now if they removed mining from the game how would you buy your ships and weapons ? Fly about killing rats till one of them dropped a hull ?

If this is the game you want then go play WoW.



Simple. Get Scrapmetal processing and reprocess mission loot. You get more minerals doing that anyway if you have a Noctis alt...
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#128 - 2012-11-28 13:24:20 UTC
Revajin wrote:
When I first started playing EVE I warped to a belt in low sec trying to explore. I was just flying around the asteroids pretending I was the Millennium Falcon when a flashy red assault frigate landed on the belt. I tried to align to a gate to warp off but my stupid ship got bumped by an asteroid which gave the pirate enough time to kill me. To this day I have never forgiven the space rocks and mine them endlessly in the hopes that their genocide will erase my feeling of loss.


lol, you win the thread :) .
Dave Stark
#129 - 2012-11-28 14:19:51 UTC
Archdaimon wrote:
Mining mechanics are horribly bad and boring.

I know of no-one who does not aim at doing other stuff while mining. Watching movies, shows what ever.

Mining is an extreme grind of your life. Seriously consider if it's worth the (lack of) isk.


there aren't any other activities that give you isk for watching your favourite film.
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
#130 - 2012-11-28 15:59:16 UTC
Yeah you're doing it wrong. First of all, you have to know what to mine. At this point, the fact that you even question whether Hi-Sec ore is more valuable than null sec ore shows that you're not familiar with mining.

Mining isn't about targeting rocks it's about knowing how to make isk. For example, until recently, Pyerite prices were skyrocketing - so what do you mine? In that case, it would have been Massive Scordite. If you look at prices now, Isogen is on the rise - so you switch gears.

End of the day, Mack/Orca team mining ore makes about 30M isk per hour fairly easily. Do that 3 hours a day, 30 days a month and it's 2.7B isk per month - 4.5 times the current plex price.

Now, can I make more doing level 4s for 3 hours a day/30 days a month - possibly depending on mission mix but mining is almost a sure thing and there is very little risk for loss.

The thing about mining is it comes down to the type of person. Not everyone wants to PVP, Hell not everyone wants to PVE. For some people, the appeal of Eve is being able to work behind the scenes. Without miners, there are no materials and without materials there are no ships, with no ships there is no PVP. So if you like to PVP, then I would suggest that you encourage those who enjoy mining to continue to mine.
Roger Dew
TOILET'DUCK PRODUCTIONS
#131 - 2012-11-28 18:06:54 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
if no one mined you'd have no ships, you want this to be like halo or something where everytime you die you get a new ship with new guns health and ammo? just go play halo

As for your 2 hours = 39m. Fail

I mine that much every 40 minutes with 1 hulk and 1 covetor with orca boosts. And if you really want isk, get your refining skills up and your standings up with a corp and use its station to refine.

Also i watch plenty of movies and stuff when mining ore i dont have a problem with that. In fact mining is exactly what i do if i have a new movie or a tv series i want to watch.

I also suggest getting your leadership/mining boosting skills up, getting the foreman implant and also setting some in belt bm's. If you mine smart with skills you can have all your ships in the dead center and never have to move an inch all while being able to drop directly into the orca, no jetcans and tractors (that frees up a orca high for a siege boost module too!). If your really keen have 1 account fly a fast nippy ship use it to check each belt before hand and then warp your fleet to that character, saves trying to positing and scout in a clumsy barge

With a little planning, skill and thought mining is an easy, moderately rewarding task thats a heck of a lot better than 19.5m per hour

Be glad people are mining cause if they didnt, your 20m per hour belt ratting.. might buy you a ship in 6 months time


Let me clarify something to you.

I tried this with 3x reasonably skilled covetors and 1 character with MAX orca skills (orca lvl 5 etc).

There is no way with skills and a hulk that I would be seeing double the return I did. So I conclude that you are full of it.
Roger Dew
TOILET'DUCK PRODUCTIONS
#132 - 2012-11-28 18:09:56 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:

Hi there.

At the rate you make 100 mil isk while repping your SS in belts, I mine and manufacture 1 BS.

I jump it (using free isotopes mined via ice) to a low sec system that sees allot of action and markup the hull at Jita + 25%.

Then impoverished and desperate morons... I mean erm... hard working combatants like yourself come along and buy that hull... And the more you get blown up... the more isk I make.

So keep at it newbie. Your doing it right!


The hilarious thing is, you could just buy that hull in Jita and mark it up by 25% in the same system and benefit from the profit without the boring mining.

I will be selling the mining characters because they will make me far more in character bazzar than profit in those horrible belts :P
Roger Dew
TOILET'DUCK PRODUCTIONS
#133 - 2012-11-28 18:10:46 UTC
Dixegu Smith wrote:
To answer your question OP, some people (I'm talking about me!) just arent intrested in Fights AT ALL. They just dont give me the kick. On the other hand, the awesome economy system EvE's having is just so epic that words cant describe it. Yet you can manage Hauling and Trading while mining (assuming you have alts).

In total, it costs me as much concentration as just playing 1 Account and do Mission Running - but the hell, THAT is whats really boring in my eyes. Don't get me wrong, have fun with it if youd enjoy it, but its just not everybodys deal.


To be honest I figured this would be the answer, I did find it quite addictive wanting to log in again and mine.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#134 - 2012-11-28 18:24:51 UTC
Alexila Quant wrote:

Simple. Get Scrapmetal processing and reprocess mission loot. You get more minerals doing that anyway if you have a Noctis alt...


Patently and Absolutely Untrue.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#135 - 2012-11-28 18:26:57 UTC
It would be hilarious if absolutely every miner actually organized and took a month off.

The tears would be delicious and hugely freeflowing, most assuredly.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Commander Ted
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-11-28 18:30:53 UTC
Smoking a pipe full of cherry flavored tobacco, listening to NPR, and pretending your the captain of a mining operation in deep space is quite relaxing after you finished all your work for the day.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec.
Dave Stark
#137 - 2012-11-28 18:32:51 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
It would be hilarious if absolutely every miner actually organized and took a month off.

The tears would be delicious and hugely freeflowing, most assuredly.


yeah... except i need to earn my plex money some how...
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#138 - 2012-11-28 18:34:30 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
It would be hilarious if absolutely every miner actually organized and took a month off.

The tears would be delicious and hugely freeflowing, most assuredly.


yeah... except i need to earn my plex money some how...



lol. Yup. Tears would be on all sides !

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#139 - 2012-11-28 18:35:40 UTC
Commander Ted wrote:
Smoking a pipe full of cherry flavored tobacco, listening to NPR, and pretending your the captain of a mining operation in deep space is quite relaxing after you finished all your work for the day.



Change that tobacco to something a little more 'effective' and then you are doing it right Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#140 - 2012-11-28 18:40:51 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Demolishar wrote:
You made the mistake of mining ore. mine Ice.

Ice is even worse at 8mil an hour.

OP; People will play the way they want to play. The only issue I have with some profession (ice mining) is when they become an activity where you profit for not actually playing the game.

But you can mine ice continuously with no interaction, and only have to empty your cargohold once in a while (used to be 20 minutes for my Macks to fill, but new Retrievers & Macks carry about 3 times more).