Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That will never happen.

As long as there is a demand, the ore WILL be able to be profitably mined by somebody, somewhere. it does not matter how many escorts are required. It doesn't matter if there's local chat. It doesn't matter which freighter classes are available. It doesn't matter if CCP introduces evil magacyte-dwelling worms that have a 75% chance of eating ships every 5 minutes. Any and all of those things might affect what the final PRICE is for the materials mined, but none of them will affect WHETHER the materials are mined.

If you personally are making less money mining in null sec than you would mining scordite, then that's your own problem, not a broken game. Because it is economically guaranteed that SOMEBODY out there will always be making more a profit mining in null than mining scordite, in the long run. If nobody was for an extended period of time, then the prices for null sec materials would simply rise (since you can't even build a rifter without them) until it DID become profitable enough for somebody to switch to null mining.

That is the elegant and robust beauty of a player-driven economy.



Now, if you want to argue about how FUN it is to do that mining, then that's a different story. it may or may not be fun. But it WILL always always be profitable for at least some proportion of people, over and above scordite mining alone. No matter how dangerous or annoying it becomes.

The point i was trying to get to is that all the industry gets a little boost now and then and that industry gets nothing but a harder life.

In null yes people solo mining like in wh space and that people fight for there space and industry people fight along side the pvpers to secure that space.

Removing local would make it harder for the industry guys as if it is not hard enough.

I know the thread is side tracked now, but I agree with the original op where there should be a new tier or a buff to freighters.

In nullsec, every ship will get shot upon if it can be killed without them dying (and tons of times, even if they die in the process because the killmail makes it worth it). In hisec, a t2 fit BS might as well not even exist. A freighter with several billions in its hold, however, does.

And as for being able to fit a DCU, you can be guaranteed that some idiot will go "OH HEY LOOK I CAN FIT A CARGOHOLD EXPANDER AND CARRY MORE", which means they'll suddenly be able to carry capitals in their hold, which in turn means CCP will have to nerf the standard freighter's cargohold to compensate or just exclude cargomods, in which case CCP might as well just buff the base HP figures and be done with it.

Which still won't stop people from bitching about how they can't haul cargo from one end of the universe to the other while being AFK because they're still getting ganked.

People keep harping on about how "tier 3 BCs make it too easy", and they forget that before they were introduced, tier 2 BSes were used with just as many guns, and it cost less.

Oh, and in case you haven't figured it out yet, CCP are turning the niarja/uedama gates into vigilante heaven on dec 4th, with the launch of crimewatch 2.0. So if you want to do your bit to stop gankers from ganking freighters, just show up on those gates and wait for someone to turn/be turned into suspects, and go to town. vOv

Of course, I still expect people to not step up sufficiently, or at the very least to keep whining about how it's too easy, even though we're looking at the coordination of a lot of people to pull off a single gank.

tier 2 BS with the same guns, at the time: approx 150m (with premium), you needed 9-10 to gank a freighter. you got 72m back from insurance if you paid your premium.

tier 3 BC with the same guns, now, approx 90-100m, but you only need 5, maybe 6. how does it cost more now? even with the price hike, it's still cheaper now. and TEST are now organising tears event, with 40 pilots in catalyst. it cost them 100m to gank some freighter last weekend. granted it's not that easy to coordinate 40 pilots, but tell me this is balanced?

if it's not that easy, how come 6-7 alliances are doing about 100 freighters ganks per weekends now?

Ya i know but its 6 turret bs. So you would need to have more bs's instead less tier 3 bc's with more turrets. Currently tempest hull costs 150mil while tornado is only 65mil. Suicide gank using tempests without insurance sounds much more reasonable in my ears now days.


But we wont be getting gank tempests back aslong theres still cheap tier 3 bc hulls with more turret slots. Thats why only option i can see is to buff freighters.

I question your numbers.


I'd say yes, it is. Why wouldn't it be? That's the culmination of 40 people's effort.


There's 100 freighters being killed per weekend, you say? So from friday afternoon to monday morning, they're killing off 1.7 freighters pr hour? I'm not seeing this, perhaps you'd like to show us how you've come up with the "100 freighters per weekend" number?

So I did some perusing through the eve-kill records. The first freighter I found was on page 32, it was a lowsec kill. The second was on page 42, a wormhole kill. The third, and also the first hisec kill, was on page 51. 4 dominixes, 1 typhoon, 1 talos, 1 armageddon, by brick squad (18 freighters in 28 days). Another lowsec on page 54, then another uedama kill on page 55, 3 talos 3 oracle 2 brutix, by goons (148 freighters in 28 days). Page 63, a lowsec freighter, and a niarja freighter (6 talos 1 oracle 1 brutix), goonswarm. Page 69, another uedama kill, 4 talos 3 brutix 1 catalyst. goonswarm. Page 80, another uedama kill, 4 talos 2 brutix 3 catalyst, goonswarm. Page 100, a niarja kill. 8 talos 1 oracle, ev0ke (a staggering 5 freighters killed in 28 days).

So out of 550 kills the last 24 hours, 2 lowsec freighters, one wormhole freighters and 6 hisec freighters. So, 1.09% of the kills the last 20-24 hours or so are hisec freighters. Oh dear so sad.

u dnt get insurance pay outs when u've been bawssed by concord

in a game like eve, i believe the burden of responsibility lies with the hauler to reduce his cargo value in order to avoid ganking. increasing the ehp of freighters will just mean they bring more ships to gank with, and nothing has changed. things will just escalate.

likewise, extra gates around certain systems wont help much i dnt think. u can be tracked from jita and gank ships can set themselves up in ur path. when freighters are still getting ganked, ppl will come back to the forums and ask for more ehp and/or more gates.

scouts, logi and ecm ships. thats what u need

Well i do think that 1,4bil isk basicly capital sized ship should be able to transport 2 bils worth of stuff without getting suicide ganked by 500mil fleet. Now if gankers had to bring more ships to gank it would mean that ganking would be harder and more expensive. For example gankers would had to bring 1,5bil worth tier 3 bc's to gank freighter. Then it would be more ok imho.

But no im not trolling. I think 2 bils is low value transport. I also think that freighter should have atleast 4-5bils in cargo to make it worthwhile for gankers.

Edit: well maybe not low value transport. But that 2bil still not too much isk compared to hull cost.