EVE New Citizens Q&A

ME! I could do it in about 2 years when I'm done grad school. :P I'll gladly move to Iceland too. I was there for Iceland Airwaves last year and I'm dying to go back.

The tutorials can be a bit vague in places, rest assured CCP are working on them, they are much improved from the old ones that basically said "here's a ship now go die in a fire"

You might be best reposting this in the sticky above as that is where the Devs and ISD will take most of the tutorial feedback from.

Welcome to Eve, if you get stuck on anything just ask in this section of the forums and we'll certainly try and help you out as best we can.

Fly safe o7

I've just run the career tutorials on a new alt and have taken notes on stuff that is either unclear or doesn't make sense.

I've been playing for just over 3 years and this is the first time I've gone through them since I started playing, overall the tutorials are much improved from what they were 3 years ago, here's my findings and suggestions to improve them some more.

Exploration Tutorials
You require a civilian analyser or salvager for the Mag site and a civilian codebreaker for the Radar site, they weren't issued by the exploration agent and it's unclear that you can use an equivalent module purchased off the market if you have the skills. This probably needs fixing so that the agents issue the required modules when they give you the mission. In my case the modules were issued during the business tutorials. From others feedback it looks like there may be inconsistent behaviour here.

Business Tutorials
The business tutorials issue all of the civilian modules required for both the business & exploration tutorials, however there is nothing to say that a new player doing the tutorials should do the business ones before the exploration ones. See paragraph above.

I like that it warns you when you attempt to undock without required items in your cargo, this should be implemented game wide if it hasn't already, I know that in the past, I've gone 8 jumps, docked at destination & then realised that I forgot to put the stuff in my cargo.

Industry
This needs a better explanation of using BPCs, the possibility of obtaining stuff from the market and the Science & Industry dialogue, as someone who's been playing a while I take it for granted on how to do this, but it's not obvious.

Military
I'm doing the Amarr tutorial agents, yet in Cash For Capsuleers 5/10 I've been issued with a civilian shield mod and I get a shield tanking skill for completion, surely the agent should issue a race relevant module (in this case an armour mod) and a relevant skill for completion. For Caldari and Minmatar agents I can understand the shield mod/skill, but for Amarr or Gallente it's rather pointless as they are primarily armour tankers. This needs looking at as it encourages shitfits and loltanks.

Advanced Military
Couldn't find any real faults with this, an insurance window opening or a tutorial on insurance for the 2 missions where you are expected to explode hilariously would be nice.

Offtopic,I love the concept of fitting a ship to explode on impact as used in Angel of Mercy, please please give us a module to do this outside of the tutorials, so many sweet sweet tears to collect

Suggestions to improve the career tutorials

• Tutorial career agents should issue the required modules to complete the missions, regardless of whether or not you already have them. (See notes on exploration above)


• If not the above, it should be required that players do the tutorial agents in a certain order and that the other agents aren't available unless tasks assigned by a required agent are completed.


• Tutorial agents should issue race relevant modules and skills in the military tutorial, issuing a shield module and skill via an Amarr or Gallente agent is just plain silly.


• Make use of some of the excellent resources available from both player sites such as the Eve Uni wiki and CCPs own wiki, maybe hyperlinks in the agent conversations to relevant articles that open in the IGB. Especially with regards to both the market and science and industry stuff.


• For the missions Angel of Mercy and The Stand offer the chance to insure the ship as part of the tutorial, by automagically opening the insurance window as part of the agent conversation, the insurance money would probably be very welcome for a newbie.

The tutorials still require a little polish with regards to the issue of required modules, and race relevant skills and modules for the military tutorial.

8/10, good job devs

Suggestions for enhanced gameplay that I've picked up from the tutorials

• The warning you get in the tutorials about undocking without required cargo for mission completion, if this hasn't already been implemented outside of the tutorials it should be, it's a time saver and a half. (Looks like this is now a thing, nice one)


• A suicide bombing module that allows you to set your ship to explode on impact. OMG gief nao, this is a great idea and well implemented in the tutorials, why is it not available outside of them?

That is what I call a very good review on the tutorials. And from what you say here I can only agree with.

@ J'Poll, thanks, I did a marathon of all the career tutorials in one hit and updated the post as I found things that need looking at.

I was like WTF on the exploration tutorial simply because the required modules were not issued by the agent. Luckily I have a stock of civilian items stashed away on this character so I was able to contract them over, without that stockpile I would have been stumped until I did the business tutorial.

Hmm in that case there appears to be a slightly inconsistent behaviour with the tutorial missions. I'm going to grind the other 2 sets of Amarr tutorial agents because of the standings boosts they give so I shall see if there's a difference between agents and update as I go.

The career agent for exploration that didn't issue the modules to me was Aire Arryns based in Conoban, I randomly went with the exploration before any of the others.

Thanks for pointing it out Oraac

I would like to see a set of tutorial missions for Planetary Interaction.

I'm down to Adv. Military as my final tutorial agent, and thus far I think that the Tutorials are pretty good. Far better than they were years ago when I first tried(and gave up on) this game.

I don't know what changes you made to the combat, but it seemed a lot more fun and engaging to me now than it did then. could be cause last time i was caldari, throwing missiles at stuff from 2 solar systems away. *shrug*

I joined with the intent to be an Industry type, Manufacturing and Mining. But through the tutorials I have developed a liking for Exploration and Salvaging. The tutorial does a very good job of giving you a taste of a variety of roles, and giving you enough ships and a balanced skill set to eventually venture in whichever direction you choose.

Bravo, CCP. You just may have won me over this time.

There are redundant and (I believe) missing rewards in the tutorials. In the career agent missions the Propulsion Jamming skill book is offered twice. In a later tutorial, you are asked to fit an afterburner to your ship, but it is not mentioned beforehand that you have to buy the skillbook. I think that one of the Propulsion Jamming rewards is meant to be the Afterburner skillbook.

The rewards in the tutorials need to have better progression. The redundant rewards and apparently missing ones are confusing to a new player.

Just wanted to say that you could always skip the tutorial if you wanted to it's not required to do but hit's very highly recommended. If you wanted to skip one part of the tutorial you can go into F12 > tutorial tab and then just select the next tutorial down.

Also if you are missing some items for the tutorial or career missions just file a petition under Game Play > Missions in Progress and I'm sure a GM can help out.

But as I suggest it's all Highly Recommended to do.

That's excellent to hear. Just every so often the tutorials act up and only way to fix them is to petition it. It's rare but it happens so just wanted to make you aware of that option as well in case it's something that you can't get an answer to.