EVE General Discussion

I see what you did there

What about giving rats in empire a corresponding LP amount to what faction controlled space you are in?

I just worry that changing from ISK to more LP would drive the Navy Faction market down.

I want to state this again I do not want to nerf or decrease the amount that players in empire make just change the form of payment to slow the injection of ISK into the game.

When EVE throws in easy ISK - inflation rises

Easy ISK are Macro ISKs, unwisely rewarding incursions (from what I've heard), other activities with high income per hour and relative ease/safety.

That is no my intention at all in later post I have stated that I do not want to decrease the amount of rewards a mission or anomaly gives out just change the form of payout so that less isk in injected into the game. I want the younger players to enjoy the game I have just as much as I do today.

This is not a bitter vet rant at all. I don't know why the same people always post in every topic a negative post it gets old

Ice product are way down because you have every AFK person and their brother sitting in Ice belts mining with 15 accounts.

For you idea on inflation you are saying that drone poo and t1 item drops were responsible for 50% of the minerals injected into the game? When I started playing you could buy a Domi for around 45 mill for the hull right now the same hull cost around 89 million that is close to double what it used to cost.

I think he was looking beyond the anchor a POS, put up a mining module and print ISK. In a way it was a compliment to the dedication of Goons, establishing the logistical nightmare needed to turn a 1 hr cycle on some POS mods in to a ship but you failed to see it as a compliment.

"nerf moon mining" is also code for "nerf technetium". You don't see anyone making threads about the ISK printing machine in Tungsten or Cobalt.

No. Mineral prices went back to normal. You just haven't played EVE long enough. I remember a raven or a megathron costing you well over 100M isk. Guess what they cost now? The days of the 60M Raven were an aberration brought about by botters, which have been dealt with.

As for those whining about moon mining I will join you in your cry to nerf moon mining the minute you show me a moon that deposits ISK in a silo. If you can't find one then look no further than your failure to understand the EVE economy. If you're jealous of Tech moon owners then just stop buying T2 stuff. Oh wait - what? Then shut up and pay, or use alchemy.

The only way ISK is injected into the game is by bounties, mission rewards, insurance, and incursions. If I have missed any please let me know. All other activities in game just move ISK from one player to the other. I do understand that Drone Alloy, Meta 0 items and they way Insurance payout happens now had a direct effect on the prices we are seeing but I think we can agree that there are now more players in the belts then we have seen in some time. So why are mineral prices still at the level they are at was botting that bad in EVE to cause a ~100 markup on ships?

I just wonder if CCP would move away from directly injecting ISK into the game and changed how players are rewarded for bounties, missions, incursions.

Insurance I don't have a good answer for. Letting the players handle it might be the right choice but with that the desire to set up one of the largest in games scams would also be there.

When I first started this game Battlship Hulls all cost around 100 million with the upper tiers being around 125, when Trit was 1 isk per but zyd and mega were 2000 and 4000 isk respectively. Then they dropped in price, now they are back up. So all that tells me is that minerals are up until more miners get to mining and inject more minerals into the game economy to drive the price back down which is perfect for new characters and old alike who can dust off their mining gear and mine in 0.5 space to make some isk.

There is a lot of isk that goes into EVE that doesn't come back, I know someone brought up bills, and station fees, but you also have clone fees, so when one of the older guys gets podded it cost them 10's of millions of isk just to get their clone upgraded to the right skill point level, and that money doesn't come back. It's cheap to die young

PI really is something else that has caused inflation. Previously you bought all of those items from NPC sellers. While people may have bought and sold and traded those items, ultimately someones isk vanished with the initial purchase. That doesn't happen anymore now that we make our own towers and harvest our own POS fuels, with our own POCO's and even the tax money associated with it. It all stays with the players.

So while I agree with some of your points, you cannot eliminate ISK rewards such as bounties and level 4 missions to curb inflation. The Isk that exists in the game has been generated over the life span of the games economy, injected from all the players who used to kill rats in belts and thought making 10 million isk an hour doing it was a boat load of money. If you eliminate the biggest isk sources of the game and leave only small little bits to me made, you will quickly see a reverse in this trend and then a lack of isk.

Can adjustments be made? Sure, but every little adjustment you try to make is going to force players to adapt and find the next most profitable thing to do on a per hour basis. So if you adjust too much you will kill off the purpose and functionallity of an aspect of the game. If you make rats in belts and anoms worth zero isk, no one will bother to kill them other than to cherry pick for named faction officers and hauler spawns, and as much time as that takes, no one will bother with that as it isn't a reliable source of steady income.

Give it time, post patch will likely yield new market conditions as it usually always does.

What about adding a cap charging fee to stations when you dock?
Would be a nice tiny isk drain.

There needs to be alot more isk pumped in than going out as so much isk goes zombie either in inactive accounts or worse, in those players who treat isk like some sort of "score" and keep it in the wallet.