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Heh, I bet they still will.

You never know when a new bug will show up.

I have some questions about safe logoff:

* It can be interrupted, so if somebody has no timers is it not safer to NOT to use safe logoff? (Once you have logged off by closing the client, nobody can give you an aggression timer and you vanish in 1 minute nomatter what).

* Isn't closing the client safer because you can do it after jumping without decloaking, or in the middle of warp?

* Can you do this inside a bubble? Does the bubble aggress you?

* Can this be done during the 30 seconds invulnerability timer gained after jumping, or undocking?

* Does TiDi increase the timer length?

* You vanish without E-Warping, do you E-Warp when you log back in?

* If you do E-Warp back in, are you still aggressable while in the E-Warp spot but before entering warp?

* Will the existing logoff mechanics remain permanently, or is this a move towards replacing them?

If anybody knows of official answers to these I'd love to see them :)

Edit: As later posters have pointed out, you can actually be flagged after logging out with the new crimewatch.

I would love to, except that it won't be off the next time I log in. Unless there's some secret "set default safety level" inherent in this that I missed, every time I log out it'll default to green. This is not optimal.

With a safe log off you can watch and make sure the timer counts down without being found and reaggressed. If you are found you can then react.

With a normal log off your ship is still sitting there in space, but you have no idea if you have been scanned out and reagressed or not... until you log back in to your new clone.

In some way's yes, but doing it this way also solves some serious issues... not the least of which being to make the life of ratting bots much more difficult.

When they rat they get a NPC aggression timer.
When someone comes into system, the bot auto logs off immediately.
But now they have that timer going, and if scanned out and aggressed again they never dissappear from space and will be relatively easy to kill.

Now, it also makes the lives of ratters and such that normally log off at the first sign of a hostile in local, but to be honest I'm strangely okay with that.

Preventing botters from logging off is great, but the real losers here are supercap pilots. Under the current system if you're cloaked in a safe spot you can close the client to safely logoff. With the new system you need to decloak for 30 seconds in order to logoff, which is easily enough time to get probed and aggressed (alternatively e-warp then be probable for 60 seconds). The bad news is that this means we will be killing fewer supercaps this year, because people will simply use them less often (exactly what happened with the previous nerfs). Too bad.

Why do we need a safety switch that in the description makes you feel as if JUST by clicking it bad things are going to happen to you?

Good job promoting more carebears CCP.

Can we have an option to hide the safety button and permanently leave it "red"? I thought this was EVE...

WORST FEATURE EV-AH.

I haven't been playing this game because it's easy. I could care less about all the "new" players that are stupid. Pain is a very good teacher. Everyone that's played this game for a year or longer has learned not to shoot people in high sec. If they haven't then they don't shoot people anyway so who cares.

Your doing these thing for the nubbins. This is a game. You make mistakes and get blown up. Its how you get EXPERIENCE that other people are looking for to fly with.

WHY DUMB THIS WONDERFUL GAME DOWN FURTHER? Instead of wasting VALUABLE development time on a completely STUPID feature that's only going to be broken when you release it, why not FIX all the crap that people have been screaming about? These new features will be broken or will break something else upon release. So then, not only have you wasted the Dev time coming up with these useless features, now you have to use MORE Dev time fixing it afterwards. What a waste.