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State War Academy Caldari State 3,457
Scatim Helicon State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 3,457	#21 - 2011-10-21 12:02:25 UTC 2 Hirana Yoshida wrote: What CCP needs to do is tweak the election process for future CSM's to ensure that the members have a more even spread and represent all walks of life (in Eve) .. Oh good, affirmative action Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Karadion

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#22 - 2011-10-21 12:03:09 UTC

Ciar Meara wrote:

Karadion wrote:

"Goons this, goons that, goons everything, goons are ruining my "Walking in Station" experience! Give me my incarna, wah wah wah." Go play Second Life or in traffic.

At least the CSM had some influence in getting CCP to dump their stupid Vampire MMO and scale down Dust that both of would have never worked.

1: They didn't

2: The Mittani was anything but critical in his view towards incarna and MT

3: Vile Rat didn't even care about buying golden scorpions with Aurum

4: CSM was late jumping on the bandwagon and is now some are trying to claim victory while all they did was ride along.

1) Yes they were
2) Wrong
3) Yes he did
4) Wrong again.

All typical empire pubbie answers.

Mr R4nd0m

Doomheim

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#23 - 2011-10-21 12:03:13 UTC

Hirana Yoshida wrote:

The "whole community" is limited to 10-15% of the population as that is the amount of people who care enough about Eve to vote in the CSM elections.
The remaining 85-90% of people have NO SAY in the matter AT ALL! They chose not to participate and thus forfeit their rights to ***** and moan over anything not directly consumer related (which is covered by RL laws).

What CCP needs to do is tweak the election process for future CSM's to ensure that the members have a more even spread and represent all walks of life (in Eve) .. plus add a blank vote option as that is sorely needed.

Thats a problem then isnt it.... They dont get involved because, its not really interesting for them to. They dont really get enough interaction. Also when big alliances vote for themselves, its a little pointless isnt it....seriously...
Players in alliance, then out of alliance alts etc..

Just I think CCP (if they kept CSM) should vote internally who should be on the CSM - like an interview process.

Eternum Praetorian

Doomheim

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#24 - 2011-10-21 12:04:14 UTC

Mr LaForge wrote:

To the OP. STOP WHINING ABOUT NOTHING.

This CSM got CCP back on the right track in regards to EVE.

No they didn't.
CCP as a company went into a panic when they saw their revenue stream drop into the toilet.
The CSM did precisely jack.

The player base sent the message.

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Astenion University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 412	#25 - 2011-10-21 12:04:14 UTC Well, the affirmative action concept is a good one as long as it doesn't get taken advantage of. Read that last part again.

Karadion

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#26 - 2011-10-21 12:05:38 UTC

Eternum Praetorian wrote:

Mr LaForge wrote:

To the OP. STOP WHINING ABOUT NOTHING.

This CSM got CCP back on the right track in regards to EVE.

No they didn't.
CCP as a company went into a panic when they saw their revenue stream drop into the toilet.
The CSM did precisely jack.

The player base sent the message.

And you've yet to tell us what the cause of this was.

Hint: It contains the word 'minutes'.

Eternum Praetorian

Doomheim

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#27 - 2011-10-21 12:06:22 UTC

Karadion wrote:

Eternum Praetorian wrote:

Karadion wrote:

No you didn't.
You had nothing to do with that.

The player base did when the protested and unsubed. So you can STFU.

The CSM is currently garbage, and for CCP to begin to recognize that fills me with tickles and giggles.

And who was the driver behind that? Oh god I can't wait to hear your pubbie answer.

The driver behind what? CSM corruption?

CCP's flawed voting system that allows multiple account holders to Vote for members of their own large alliances.

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Eternum Praetorian

Doomheim

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#28 - 2011-10-21 12:07:26 UTC | Edited by: CCP Phantom

Karadion wrote:

Eternum Praetorian wrote:

Mr LaForge wrote:

To the OP. STOP WHINING ABOUT NOTHING.

This CSM got CCP back on the right track in regards to EVE.

No they didn't.
CCP as a company went into a panic when they saw their revenue stream drop into the toilet.
The CSM did precisely jack.

The player base sent the message.

And you've yet to tell us what the cause of this was.

Hint: It contains the word 'minutes'.

No.

Edit: Even when feelings are running high, please stay civil. Thank you. CCP Phantom.

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Brooks Puuntai Solar Nexus. Likes received: 2,030	#29 - 2011-10-21 12:07:56 UTC This CSM has done more them most other CSMs have done in the past years. It may not have been what you wanted but thats life. Still shows that CCP has been taking the CSM a bit more seriously. CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Karadion

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#30 - 2011-10-21 12:08:04 UTC

Eternum Praetorian wrote:

Karadion wrote:

Eternum Praetorian wrote:

Karadion wrote:

And who was the driver behind that? Oh god I can't wait to hear your pubbie answer.

The driver behind what? CSM corruption?

CCP's flawed voting system that allows multiple account holders to Vote for members of their own large alliances.

You know what we call answers like this people? A strawman attack. What is a strawman attack? It's a simple tactic to distract you from the primary focus.

Astenion

University of Caille

Gallente Federation

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#31 - 2011-10-21 12:08:18 UTC | Edited by: Astenion

I can see why people are upset at the CSM due to all the hubbub but what did you think was going to happen by electing Goons to be in charge of ANYTHING? Their mantra is complete and total anarchy and troublemaking. That's like electing Sid Vicious to Prime Minister and then getting pissed off when everything goes to ****.

I mean, you can fault them for it but then again you really can't. The American people elected GW Bush for a second term; did they think things were going to actually get better? They've only got themselves to blame.


Mr R4nd0m Doomheim Likes received: 189	#32 - 2011-10-21 12:09:23 UTC Brooks Puuntai wrote: This CSM has done more them most other CSMs have done in the past years. It may not have been what you wanted but thats life. Still shows that CCP has been taking the CSM a bit more seriously. kugu? get out you have another (full of idiot vets forums) to tend to..... keep them all in there please...

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Andski Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 11,585	#33 - 2011-10-21 12:09:45 UTC 2 like seriously, you all have the attention span of gnats. this whole thing will blow over and you'll find something else to waste energy and time frothing at the mouth over Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Mr R4nd0m

Doomheim

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#34 - 2011-10-21 12:10:02 UTC

Astenion wrote:

Well said ^^


Eternum Praetorian Doomheim Likes received: 1,240	#35 - 2011-10-21 12:10:08 UTC 1 Karadion wrote: Kardion Farts in public.....You know what we call answers like this people? A strawman attack. What is a strawman attack? It's a simple tactic to distract you from the primary focus. You're right... That is exactly what you are doing right now. [center]The EVE Gateway Blog[/center] [center]One Of EVE Online's Ultimate Resources[/center]

Scarlett Anstian

Neverstar

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#36 - 2011-10-21 12:10:56 UTC

Karadion you are just a bleating sheep of Goonswarm, please remove yourself from this thread. The CSM have no power when it comes to financial decisions at CCP. Which the dropping of WoD and refocusing on EVE was.

The CSM has done good things in helping them readdress the current problems in the game, but you are fooling yourselves if you believe they are behind CCP cutting staff etc. That all points towards cash flow problems.

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knobber Jobbler State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 609	#37 - 2011-10-21 12:12:04 UTC 4 Looking at it objectively, the current csm is doing a good job.

Karadion

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#38 - 2011-10-21 12:12:09 UTC

Mr R4nd0m wrote:

Brooks Puuntai wrote:

This CSM has done more them most other CSMs have done in the past years. It may not have been what you wanted but thats life. Still shows that CCP has been taking the CSM a bit more seriously.

kugu? get out you have another (full of idiot vets forums) to tend to.....

keep them all in there please...

K.com has more useful information, maybe you should keep an open mind. But hey "Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing" always works for you Empire pubbies. As long you fellate CCP's egos, they would go back to the way things were, keep working on WiS to bring you Second Life Redux. "Can I get chapless ass pants CCP?"


Andski Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 11,585	#39 - 2011-10-21 12:12:21 UTC 5 I mean it's hilarious, you all say "hurr the CSM has no influence" while posting ragethreads about GOONS ON THE CSM Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

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Messoroz AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse Likes received: 525	#40 - 2011-10-21 12:12:42 UTC \| Edited by: Messoroz Clearly Hilmar wants highsec pubbies on the csm instead to whine about how incursions can't be run solo.