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Why do people use more than 4 probes while scanning?
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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#41 - 2012-11-22 19:19:32 UTC
Something that does work though....

If you click on your probe it displays a tag and if you click on this tag the camera centers on the probe. That much is a given.
If you click on the red dot, you don't get a tag and so you can't center the camera onto it automatically.

Instead, zoom out as far as you can can position the camera to put as much things in between the dot and the camera and then mouse over. You can get the tags to stack and this includes a tag for the dot. You can now click on the tag for the red dot and cause the camera to center itself onto it.

I don't know if this is something people already knew about, it was something that just happened to me once and so I kept on doing it.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#42 - 2012-11-23 06:35:45 UTC
valerydarcy wrote:
Wow... you people know JACK about scanning.

There is a way to lock all signatures down to 100% (even the faintest) with one click at 64AU.

Its simple.. MOAR probes.

This is the secret CCP didnt want you to know.. but you heard it hear first.

Drop 8 probes (or as many as you have skill to drop).

Leave system.

Return to your location, drop 8 more.

Leave system.

Rinse and repeat 100 times until you have 800 probes.

Hit scan, bingo.



Funny thing though, by the time you are dropping your 400'th probe I am already scanning the next system Roll
cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#43 - 2012-11-23 08:02:54 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
I use 4. With the shift/alt shortcuts I find using 4 is faster than trying to use more, but I could understand why one would like to keep a 5th one in the center.

I see people using 7 or 8 probes at once though and I just wonder, is there some secret technique that makes scanning actually faster with more probes?

On paper 8 would scan twice as fast as 4 when you have more than 1 signature, but the alt key shortcut makes it faster to just use 4 on both sigs.


Sometimes I have trouble with some sites and 4 probes just doesn't do the job. You need all 6 axis to lock down the really tough scans.

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Zendon Taredi
Tier Four Technologies
#44 - 2012-11-23 11:38:26 UTC
I use an X with a probe on top and one below. Really easy to set up, and it works.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-11-23 12:47:28 UTC
The reason why you use more than 4 probes now were explained already. In combat, if you aren't probing a Carrier or a huge BS fleet, you almost ever use 7 probes. Simple reason is you want only one cycle to be sucessful so the chances your target see the probes are minimal.
Good prober need about 2mins to track down the target location + range from a celestial via dscan and setup the probes out of the target's dscan range. The target then has about 10s to see the probes as they are warping in/out and scanning.

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#46 - 2012-11-23 13:41:10 UTC
Zendon Taredi wrote:
I use an X with a probe on top and one below. Really easy to set up, and it works.

St Mio wrote:

6 yep, Octahedron http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octahedron
7 would be the same as 6, just with the center probe


I normally use the gravy (7 probe) version unless I know that I'm scanning for just one specific target.

My rationale is that setting up the extra probe (or probes) takes a little bit longer, but since I can move and resize my pattern (with shift and alt moves) I get that time back unless I just want a quick on a target I know I can easily tag with fewer probes.

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valerydarcy
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-11-23 14:44:56 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
valerydarcy wrote:
Wow... you people know JACK about scanning.

There is a way to lock all signatures down to 100% (even the faintest) with one click at 64AU.

Its simple.. MOAR probes.

This is the secret CCP didnt want you to know.. but you heard it hear first.

Drop 8 probes (or as many as you have skill to drop).

Leave system.

Return to your location, drop 8 more.

Leave system.

Rinse and repeat 100 times until you have 800 probes.

Hit scan, bingo.



Funny thing though, by the time you are dropping your 400'th probe I am already scanning the next system Roll


youre doing it wrong.

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Delilah Tsuruomo
everything disallowed
#48 - 2012-11-23 16:01:13 UTC
Well it depends, I presonally use 7 sisters cores and 1 deep space so I can determine which sig is what and which one I want to do next.

I lower class wh's with lots of seperate planets, I do 8 probes in 2 groups.
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#49 - 2012-11-23 16:08:01 UTC
Delilah Tsuruomo wrote:
Well it depends, I presonally use 7 sisters cores and 1 deep space so I can determine which sig is what and which one I want to do next.

I lower class wh's with lots of seperate planets, I do 8 probes in 2 groups.



How well does that work with shift and alt moves and resizes?

I suspect it doesn't?

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#50 - 2012-11-23 17:53:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Wait, what's this "alt-key shortcut" thing.... if there's a way to scan faster, I wanna know about it.


Press and hold alt while dragging probes it and it scale them in or out from their relative center point.

And afaik this feature is well over a year old now hehe.


The feature may be old, but I'm still relatively new - six months now. I've been doing tonnes of probing but I've never heard of this. This is the first time, no one tells me ****.


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Demolishar
United Aggression
#51 - 2012-11-23 18:00:26 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Wait, what's this "alt-key shortcut" thing.... if there's a way to scan faster, I wanna know about it.


Press and hold alt while dragging probes it and it scale them in or out from their relative center point.

And afaik this feature is well over a year old now hehe.


The feature may be old, but I'm still relatively new - six months now. I've been doing tonnes of probing but I've never heard of this. This is the first time, no one tells me ****.


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Actually the feature is relatively new too.
blake fallout
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-11-23 20:01:52 UTC  |  Edited by: blake fallout
Kobal81 wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
I use 4. With the shift/alt shortcuts I find using 4 is faster than trying to use more, but I could understand why one would like to keep a 5th one in the center.

I see people using 7 or 8 probes at once though and I just wonder, is there some secret technique that makes scanning actually faster with more probes?

On paper 8 would scan twice as fast as 4 when you have more than 1 signature, but the alt key shortcut makes it faster to just use 4 on both sigs.



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Roflmao, I Would expect more Probs = faster Results -i havent done any probingShocked in quite some time (but more=faster)

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Nakkano
Microsoft Excel Club
#53 - 2012-11-24 23:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nakkano
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
I use 4. With the shift/alt shortcuts I find using 4 is faster than trying to use more, but I could understand why one would like to keep a 5th one in the center.


Actually, if you use the right keyboard shortcuts (ALT and SHIFT), positioning 4 is no faster than using 7 or 8. It's identical, once you get past the step of initially deploying the probes.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#54 - 2012-11-24 23:58:58 UTC
Nakkano wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
I use 4. With the shift/alt shortcuts I find using 4 is faster than trying to use more, but I could understand why one would like to keep a 5th one in the center.


Actually, if you use the right keyboard shortcuts (ALT and SHIFT), positioning 4 is no faster than using 7 or 8. It's identical, once you get past the step of initially deploying the probes.


I thought initially 4 were the max number that affected scan results (as it was 2 years ago). I was also referencing using 8 probes by doing 4/4 on two separate sigs versus using 4 with alt/shift one after the other.

But you're right, there would be no difference save the clutter of probes at this point.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#55 - 2012-11-26 15:46:30 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
Why would anyone think that 4 probes is as effective as 7 or 8? Sure you can find some things with 4, but not as many as 7 and DEFINITELY not as fast, especially in larger systems. (Quick commands for spacing and moving groups makes this a dream now.) Some wh systems make it even harder to scan due to effects. By all means keep using 4, less competition for the rest of us.

As to needing a corp... it certainly helps, but no means necessary. When I first tried them out I just went in a C3 by myself with a medium tower. Even went the nomadic rout into systems already occupied as many corps just squat there and only clean it out every couple weeks or so. But that can definitely get you in a pickle. eventually we made the jump to permanent settlement.

Now, more and more traffic is coming through so if you want to actually keep the system, the standard EVE rules apply... the more the better.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-11-26 22:04:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
BoBoZoBo wrote:
Some wh systems make it even harder to scan due to effects.


False. (Unless you are referring to combat probing ships.)

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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-11-26 22:56:20 UTC
i use 7 sister probe and sister launcher with t3 my probe str is 101.6. 7 probe mean i cover more area faster and with 7 probes i can jump from 32au to 8 au to 2 au to .25 au all in all save a load of time.

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#58 - 2012-11-26 23:34:27 UTC
I like how as part of the first page my more explanatory and concise post has one like and demo's has 21 D:

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#59 - 2012-11-27 05:20:03 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
I like how as part of the first page my more explanatory and concise post has one like and demo's has 21 D:


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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-11-27 05:56:19 UTC
Now, if only I could use [alt] right after launching to set them into "cube" formation and the like... Smile

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