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Your problem is that, if you take away all the :words:, you're left with something like "CCP Falcon said it was fine, but I don't like that, so can we get the CEO's opinion on the matter?"

That's a pretty silly argument. We already have CCP's very clearly stated opinion on the matter;


And no, it's not a 'straw man' argument.

The OP is free to hire mercs or wardec any bumper, most of us are in non NPC corps.

Of course if the OP and other miners are convinced that what we do is dubious with reference to the EULA, and someone at CCP in a moment of madness supports them, we could always switch to suicide ganking miners on a full time basis, that is an explicitly allowed activity with many years of CCP support and considerably more expensive for the miner, not to mention considerably more profitable than bumping because after 9 years of dying many miners still refuse to fit a tank at the expense of yield.

As for mining vessels being non-combat, this person would like to disagree, admittedly the pilot had flagged targets to attack, but it does show that mining barges are indeed combat effective.

I think all the new order agents should be in one player corp for easy wardecking. As long as all miners will be in one player corp for the exact same reason. Make it so ccp.

CCP will not fight your battles for you or hold your hand while you do things. You're free to retaliate however you like, so why not? War dec them, or suicide gank them, whatever suits you.
hreatening to go back to wow is hilarious. I don't think CCP would miss you.

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"The existing definition of "bumping", per official EVE Wiki, only discusses bumping as a methodology used as a combat tactic. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt: you're completely right, mining barges are not immune from combat. But that's a straw man argument of sorts for two reasons: 1) nobody I've ever seen treats a mining barge as a combat ship -- and that isn't what the miners in these systems are doing, and 2) (more importantly) "combat miners" are not the demographic NO is focused on. NO is focused on miners who sit in mining belts mining quietly -- no act of aggression (socially or technically) are being solicited by the majority of the miners being bumped (and if they do get aggressive, it's a result of the unsolicited bumping)."

Because noone ever fits combat/scout drones to their exhumers. Oh, and even though I forget the corp's name, there's a youtube floating around where someone in an incursion fleet, used an exhumer. Food for thought.

You do however, make an interesting point. I'll quote the line I'm speaking of- NO is focused on miners who sit in mining belts mining quietly -- no act of aggression (socially or technically) are being solicited by the majority of the miners being bumped (and if they do get aggressive, it's a result of the unsolicited bumping).

Funny thing, is if you have ZERO aggressors... nothing happens. NO doesn't have to act solely in retaliation. You didn't pay. End of story. If you have a permit, you are given 365 days of free bump free mining unless you of course forfeit it by your own actions.

Since you like to quote and pull from minerbumping.com, I'm suprised you didn't touch on the point that miners, who aren't afk, have for the most part mouthed off expletives and inappropriate language. Because miners quite often are socially aggressive. When they aren't afk.

We can call this "talking **** before a fight" if you like. But as any toddler knows, just because you didn't throw the first punch doesn't mean you're right.

In the end, you can't appeal to CCP to fix something they consider working as intended, since you DO in FACT have the tools to cope with the problem. You just choose not to. Plenty of reasons listed here that I don't need to repeat.

You aren't forced to mine. You also aren't forced to be in the same system as anyone else. Also if you notice, non exhumer miners don't ever seem to get bumped. I guess your demographic is getting smaller and smaller.

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CCP do put limits in place. They also provide players with tools to deal with us, but you seem unwilling or unable to use them.



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What about the constant harassment I've suffered? No bumping but plenty of everything else ranging from death threats from readers of your blog and James attempting to force me to play how he wants.

He's giving me chronic depression on a game I. until a month ago, enjoyed despite the gankers.

Now he's making me concider suicide. Is making enemies of the New order Kill themselves a mark of high standings? WELL?

How? By asking them to leave me in peace? Or do you agree with Wookie Sith Ottig that me concidering suicide is 'awesome'?

AND FOR THE 1000TH ******* TIME...I...AM NOT A GODDAMNED MINER!!!!

And you keep bringing up things that happened a montyh ago and were settled a fortnight ago to make attempts to make me kill myself seem justified.

If you agree that someone should be driven to suicide, you are as bad as the ones doing the tormenting.