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Need some more Perc/Willpower skills
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Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-11-26 21:05:55 UTC
Hiya folks, could you please look at my sheet and suggest me some skills to train for the next 5 or so months(until the next remap).

Doing PVE currently(as you can well tell...) but I want to get a damnation or a curse or fly bombers(this will require missile support skills...) really well.

Thanks!
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-11-26 21:26:33 UTC
Getting your turret specializations to 4 will take a couple weeks. I personally live by the maxim of: if it's worth training, it's worth taking to 4.

If you're serious about bombers (null corps love bomber pilots FYI) you missile support skills to 5 (get both range skills there) all 4 frigates to 5 so you can fly every bomber, and covert ops 5 for the maximum damage bonus will take a good chunk out of those months.

After that, jump on the bandwagon and get Battlecruisers, Destroyers, and all 4 frigate and cruiser skills to 5 in anticipation of the skill changeover.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-11-26 21:41:28 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Hiya folks, could you please look at my sheet and suggest me some skills to train for the next 5 or so months(until the next remap).

Doing PVE currently(as you can well tell...) but I want to get a damnation or a curse or fly bombers(this will require missile support skills...) really well.

Thanks!



Get destroyers 5 ASAP

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Canabi
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
#4 - 2012-11-26 21:57:41 UTC
Destroyers 5 > Frigs & Cruisers 5 > BC 5 (Unless the BC change happens before you'd finish the Frigs and Cruisers. If that happens, make sure you get BC5 before the change)
Then missile skills, gunnery skills.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-11-26 22:49:41 UTC
Thanks for the feedback guys, i've got 2 days on destroyers right now and then ~20 days on BCs since i already trained them a while back.

What are you opinions on armor/shield compensation skills ?
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-11-26 23:06:47 UTC
Shield comps aren't very useful. Armor comps are good because armor tanks get a passive armor module (EANM) but the shield omni module is active. The comp skills only affect active modules when they are OFF, meaning they exist to give you a slight buffer if you are capped out.

Problem is, if you're totally capped out, that slight buffer really isn't going to save you from anything.

In short: it's hard to argue with getting armor comps to 5. It's hard to imagine ever wanting to spend the time getting shield comps to 5.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#7 - 2012-11-26 23:15:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
Surgical Strike / Rank 4 / Level: 4 / SP: 181,020 of 1,024,000
Battlecruisers / Rank 6 / Level: 4 / SP: 661,822 of 1,536,000
Destroyers / Rank 2 / Level: 4 / SP: 204,707 of 512,000


Currently training Amarr Cruiser to level 5
Time remaining -410d 17h 43m 23s (skill finished)

I think there is a problem...
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2012-11-27 04:22:33 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:
Shield comps aren't very useful. Armor comps are good because armor tanks get a passive armor module (EANM) but the shield omni module is active. The comp skills only affect active modules when they are OFF, meaning they exist to give you a slight buffer if you are capped out.

Problem is, if you're totally capped out, that slight buffer really isn't going to save you from anything.

In short: it's hard to argue with getting armor comps to 5. It's hard to imagine ever wanting to spend the time getting shield comps to 5.


On the flip side, shields can mount a fully passive tank and the comp skills help quite a bit there. It's somewhat niche, but it's an option worth keeping in mind.

With ASBs and cap-independent weapons you can also use shield resist amps to mount a cap-independent tank.
Kiteo Hatto
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-11-27 10:14:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiteo Hatto
Demolishar wrote:
Surgical Strike / Rank 4 / Level: 4 / SP: 181,020 of 1,024,000
Battlecruisers / Rank 6 / Level: 4 / SP: 661,822 of 1,536,000
Destroyers / Rank 2 / Level: 4 / SP: 204,707 of 512,000


Currently training Amarr Cruiser to level 5
Time remaining -410d 17h 43m 23s (skill finished)

I think there is a problem...

I turned off "show current skill training" in eveboard API's key, that's why you can only see the last thing I trained before the key update :P, the skills on the sheet are all updated though.

Surgical strike is on my V to list though, as well as large beam/pulse/arty/autocannons to IV.

Torp/bomb support skills +covops/cloaking will take around ~108 days to V from where I am now, which is good :).

Thanks for clarifying compensation skills, I won't bother with them then.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-11-27 11:47:51 UTC
Surgical Strike, train it right meow!

You also need BC 5.
Once you finish cruiser 5 there are a lot of T2 cruiser skills you can train.

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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-11-27 19:23:16 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
Shield comps aren't very useful. Armor comps are good because armor tanks get a passive armor module (EANM) but the shield omni module is active. The comp skills only affect active modules when they are OFF, meaning they exist to give you a slight buffer if you are capped out.

Problem is, if you're totally capped out, that slight buffer really isn't going to save you from anything.

In short: it's hard to argue with getting armor comps to 5. It's hard to imagine ever wanting to spend the time getting shield comps to 5.


On the flip side, shields can mount a fully passive tank and the comp skills help quite a bit there. It's somewhat niche, but it's an option worth keeping in mind.

With ASBs and cap-independent weapons you can also use shield resist amps to mount a cap-independent tank.



Good examples would be the tank ship for level 5 missions, or as bait against people you know like to use curses a lot.